Outsourcing kid production

I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

Hasn't sperm production dropped like a brick in the last few decades or so?

Nothing of course to do with the massive increase in jibbyjabs.

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myscreenname said..

FormulaNova said..
I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

What do you see as the problem with the PM buying a $4M house?

I see a problem with KiteBoyDave having Myscreenname as a shill account (the other way really, but who knows what personality you are channeling today). Everything else is just a part of life. Why do you give a crap? Care to logon as KBD and give another opinion?

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FormulaNova said..
I don't think so. Anyone got a microscope? Sperm are very hard to see with the naked eye. Some would say impossible, but I only have my own to go on.. I need the microscope to check the content, not the source of it

If you think (lack of) sperm production is the problem, you have absolutely no idea!

Sperm production may have dropped over the decades but it is very hard to compare these days with birth control and people actively wanting to have families later in life, versus getting pregnant by accident when they are 16.

Going further off on a tangent, I think Russia is actively trying to "encourage" women to have children. I suspect it is because they are losing a shirt load of people in the war.

I have a stereo microscope at my place, swing past, have a wank and I'll let you know.

What matters to most is fame and fortune / materialism.

And their food

There is a new documentary just been released that exposes the scam of man made climate change.

I do not expect you to challenge your religion on this topic and watch it so i will not look up its title.

The quote seems valid however they mix lies with truth.

Most of the stuff in your local newspaper, radio station and tv news / current affairs show is not lies.

Look at the various threads on here over the years.

You can only lead a horse to water....

I blame it on PcD. Just yesterday s/he was offering tips on avoiding pregnancy. I think it all boiled down to "swallow"

expose-news.com/2022/10/19/study-pfizer-infertility-covid-vaccination/

The U.N went to African villages in the past to 'vaccinate' the girls for their 'health'.

After a number of years the villagers noticed that those who had received their 'health; shots had mostly become infertile.

Again, just coincidental.

I heard this after listening to a BBC radio one night in the early hours.

Of course the reporter who was giving the story on a live feed added that their opinions were a CT.

I post on here while you are watching the news and current affairs from your reality box.

Least i get access to different viewpoints whether proven or otherwise.

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FormulaNova said..
I read with interest this article on news; www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/australian-birthrate-falls-to-record-low/news-story/404fe3ac3eafa9cb0ed608096a77cfa2

It mentions "Dr Knox added that falling birthrates would mean "we are going to want skilled migrants in this country".".

Does anyone else see the problem with this?

Why are people here not having as many kids? If we don't address the problem, how is this going to change? Are we effectively just outsourcing growing of kids for this country?

From what i can see, people are finding living here expensive, which is why they aren't having as many kids. Wouldn't there be better ways of making this more affordable for people?

Of course, the fundamental problem for a lot of people is the crazy cost of housing/ponzi scheme that has left Australia with one of the most expensive housing costs in the world.

Is there anyone in charge? Or is he busy buying $4M houses?

I would figure bringing skilled migrants in is once again the bandaid solution to an aging workforce, with no fresh workers coming into the mix, not really "outsourcing kid production". It'll sort of work, but migrants these days are generally not keen to stick around, at least not in the same fashion that they did in my grandparents era.


I don't think the falling birth rate problem can be put down solely to the increasing cost of living either, most can actually still get by on a double income, and probably could still afford to raise a child or two if they decided to do so. It's certainly part of it, but I think the problem is far more concerning than that. Western society has changed a great deal in the last half a century or so. Nuclear families and sustained marriage are far less of a thing these days, and relationships don't last like they used to, they are far more fleeting than they used to be. Also in most couples now, both parties work for a living, neither are willing to be a stay at home parent. End game of all that is people think twice about getting tied to a situationship by having kids. Not suggesting we need to revert back to nuclear families, just saying that it's different now.

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Subsonic said..

I would figure bringing skilled migrants in is once again the bandaid solution to an aging workforce, with no fresh workers coming into the mix, not really "outsourcing kid production". It'll sort of work, but migrants these days are generally not keen to stick around, at least not in the same fashion that they did in my grandparents era.

Yeah, I agree. In 'the old days' in IT, there would be people that came to Australia and found the industry good and things affordable. Lately there seem to be a few that are reconsidering their life here and thinking that they can get better jobs back in Mumbai or somewhere similar. I think they are sold on the move to Aus thinking it is a good income and then when they are here they see it can be very expensive too.

How then do you balance having enough people here and giving them a good lifestyle?

But I am arguing that you are effectively outsourcing the new people in your population from being produced locally to importing them. Especially when the migrants are finding that the lifestyle here is not that great and not reproducing as much in later generations either.

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Subsonic said..
I don't think the falling birth rate problem can be put down solely to the increasing cost of living either, most can actually still get by on a double income, and probably could still afford to raise a child or two if they decided to do so. It's certainly part of it, but I think the problem is far more concerning than that. Western society has changed a great deal in the last half a century or so. Nuclear families and sustained marriage are far less of a thing these days, and relationships don't last like they used to, they are far more fleeting than they used to be. Also in most couples now, both parties work for a living, neither are willing to be a stay at home parent. End game of all that is people think twice about getting tied to a situationship by having kids. Not suggesting we need to revert back to nuclear families, just saying that it's different now.

Yeah, I wonder about family sizes. If a couple had absolutely no worries about income, what size family would they have, if they had kids at all?

I think people want to have kids, partly to look after them in old age, but they don't want too many that impact their own way of life. Is 2 the ideal number? A replacement number that people can afford?

So why then are we falling below these numbers?

If it is an issue where both people want to keep working, why isn't child care super cheap and a very easy option, but it sounds like that is competitive too.

High immigration is an easy policy for goverment but without thinking it through it may just keep the same problem happening and in the mean-time the quality of life for everyone falls. I keep reading of 'build more houses' in existing suburbs with higher density, which appears to be the solution for high housing demand, itself caused by high migration levels.

Go back a generation or two and look at how many kids families had.
I know in my area families with 4+ were common enough that single child families were seen as unusual. (Anecdote, not evidence)

Now all those kids are having families with 3 or less.

At the very least we'll have to import aged care workers to look after us.

I was saying that our aged care workforce, just like every other industry will have a smaller pool of home grown population to draw from.

Not that there'd be less kids willing to look after aging parents at home

Need... Desire... I don't know what drives women's thinking. Their view of the world is completely different to men's. They carry the mitochondrial DNA, so maybe we should leave the generational thinking up to them.