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Walking 4500km to promote universal basic income in Australia

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Created by Youngbreezy 7 months ago, 9 Jun 2024
Youngbreezy
WA, 1037 posts
9 Jun 2024 9:19AM
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amp.abc.net.au/article/103880424

You know what's easier than walking 4500km?


GETTING A F#%KING JOB!!

bjw
QLD, 3647 posts
9 Jun 2024 1:46PM
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Old mate needs to study economics 101.

Or speak to someone who has lived in Argentina. He is the epitome of his own White Privilege.

psychojoe
WA, 2161 posts
9 Jun 2024 12:08PM
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I love the idea of a cleverly implemented UBI. Enough to survive when things go bad, can reduce criminal motivations. So little that it doesn't inhibit people general ambition to work for a purpose.

bjw
QLD, 3647 posts
9 Jun 2024 5:15PM
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Unlike the dole?

UBI, give it to everyone, this won't cause inflation cough cough

Carantoc
WA, 6893 posts
9 Jun 2024 3:22PM
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Isn't a UBI totally the opposite of a needs based system ?

scrap the system and lets have a universal basic income. Feel free to work and earn more if you want to.

Along with a universal basic tax, feel free to pay more if you want to

And universal basic healthcare. Feel free to go buy other medical care if your needs require it.

And a universal basic cliff rescue, Fuc kwits must pay extra.

Mobydisc
NSW, 9029 posts
9 Jun 2024 6:50PM
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Interesting. We kind of had a UBI during the Covid lockdowns and the job keeper payments.
This resulted in Scott Morrison putting pressure on the RBA. The government ran out of money and needed around half a trillion dollars to keep the lights on. They tried to raise the money with a bond issue but the interest rate was too low and no one was interested in buying the bonds.
So the RBA was forced to create hundreds of billions of dollars out of thin air, then hand the money to commercial banks under the proviso they use the money to buy the bonds.
It is such a corrupt act. This act caused inflation which harms many of us. Of course the media is so hopeless they follow the government line inflation is caused by greedy shop keepers.
If we had a UBI we could look forward to massive inflation and widespread poverty in Australia.

Froth Goth
779 posts
9 Jun 2024 4:59PM
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Cool i look forward to seeing you all with me below the poverty line

I get by by keeping a large assortmant of crabs axolotyls skinks starfish and geckos if anyone wants to know how to keep em all happily tanked up together you only need about 250 of each and ive been living off all theyre legs for a few years now all you have to do is put a bunch of solar lights around to attract theyre bugs to eat its pretty fun and what happens in the tank stays in the tank

FormulaNova
WA, 14850 posts
9 Jun 2024 8:33PM
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Mobydisc said..
Interesting. We kind of had a UBI during the Covid lockdowns and the job keeper payments.
This resulted in Scott Morrison putting pressure on the RBA. The government ran out of money and needed around half a trillion dollars to keep the lights on. They tried to raise the money with a bond issue but the interest rate was too low and no one was interested in buying the bonds.
So the RBA was forced to create hundreds of billions of dollars out of thin air, then hand the money to commercial banks under the proviso they use the money to buy the bonds.
It is such a corrupt act. This act caused inflation which harms many of us. Of course the media is so hopeless they follow the government line inflation is caused by greedy shop keepers.
If we had a UBI we could look forward to massive inflation and widespread poverty in Australia.


Is there any source for this information? It sounds like a child's understanding of economics again. I could be wrong of course, but I would like to see a source for this. Was this created by someone in a pub one day? Why would they create money to give to people to buy their bonds instead of funding it themselves?

Inflation.. why does no one seem to understand that it is a normal part of the economy. HIGH inflation is a problem, but inflation in of itself is normal and preferred.

Governments can create money as much as they want. If it gets to a level where others see it is erratic, the currency dives in value. On the other hand if others see the economy folding itself in half, the currency also falls in value. But funnily enough, if money is created and the economy is looking positive, the currency is not affected badly.

If you don't have something like Job Keeper, the whole economy falls apart. People get layed off left right and centre as people cannot fund it. Employers have to lay people off, and guess where these people are going to go to get the money to live on? If we had no Job Keeper we would be spending years climbing out of the hole and no one wants that.

"As of 15 August 2021, the ATO's data stated that net payments totalled $88.82 billion ($69.97 billion in the original period and $18.85 billion in the extension period). A total of 1,068,856 entities had applications processed under the scheme. An average of 3.6 million individuals were estimated to have received payments each month in the original period and 1.8 million unique individuals received payments in the extension period."

This story above sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory. Creating money to give to banks to buy bonds? You know that bonds typically contract the supply of money? People/institutions give this money to the government with the expectation that they would get a certain yield. It just doesn't seem to make any logical sense.

Froth Goth
779 posts
10 Jun 2024 5:59AM
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Its not a conspiracy theory

I just dress up like and eagle and Screetch until the tails fall off




Why eat bugs when you can eat delicious tookay gecko tails

Carantoc
WA, 6893 posts
10 Jun 2024 9:19AM
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FormulaNova said..
...... I could be wrong of course, .... Why would they create money to give to people to buy their bonds instead of funding it themselves?


www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-economy-printing-money-quantitative-easing/12134560

FN, read the article, the links and try to keep up....



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