Rider: 81kg, Intermediate
Style: Freeriding, Freestyle
Weather: over 15 knots
Build Quality: 9/10
Satisfaction: 10/10
Disclosure: (I just collect kites, try them, get bored of them and sell them on)
Before I blahblah about this kite, here's a video of me using last week.
I loved the old Arcs would love to try one out again in the waves where I think they would excel due to their stability and auto zenith. One thing that let them down was the jumping ability which I could never match to an inflatable. Arcs also used the bar sheeting different to inflatables in that sheeting the bar on an Arc adjusted the kite speed rather than supply power so if you jumped you would have the control bar push out to give the kite a fast speed through the air which would develop lift rather than sheet in which would slow the kite down and produce little lift. Long time since I rode one so wonder if I would have the same familiar memories.
So much twaddle in there, but at least you can get the fins out of the water now.
What's the matter Kami. Didn't like it that someone beat you to reply first?!
You're a wnkr man. Nothing better to say.
I loved the old Arcs would love to try one out again in the waves where I think they would excel due to their stability and auto zenith. One thing that let them down was the jumping ability which I could never match to an inflatable. Arcs also used the bar sheeting different to inflatables in that sheeting the bar on an Arc adjusted the kite speed rather than supply power so if you jumped you would have the control bar push out to give the kite a fast speed through the air which would develop lift rather than sheet in which would slow the kite down and produce little lift. Long time since I rode one so wonder if I would have the same familiar memories.
Yeah good points. I think some guys on other forums mentioned this and played with the bridles to give it the reverse effect. But the lift for me is good. Nothing like a Flysurfer (happy now Kami!) or a Chrono, but there is noticeable lift and hang time.
So much twaddle in there, but at least you can get the fins out of the water now.
What's the matter Kami. Didn't like it that someone beat you to reply first?!
You're a wnkr man. Nothing better to say.
No, you're just spouting nonsense on several points. Again.
So much twaddle in there, but at least you can get the fins out of the water now.
What's the matter Kami. Didn't like it that someone beat you to reply first?!
You're a wnkr man. Nothing better to say.
No, you're just spouting nonsense on several points. Again.
The green thumbs speak for themselves.
can you point out in the video where exactly the hangtime and lift was ?
can you point out in the video where exactly the hangtime and lift was ?
some footage of those loops and mega-loops would be awesome too!
So much twaddle in there, but at least you can get the fins out of the water now.
What's the matter Kami. Didn't like it that someone beat you to reply first?!
You're a wnkr man. Nothing better to say.
No, you're just spouting nonsense on several points. Again.
The green thumbs speak for themselves.
Yes, they do. People agree that you spout twaddle and I'm a wanker. I know which one would bother me more...
deary me lofty,
you ride like a middle aged kite school owner not a repairer....
honestly i thought you were better then this.
i expect a follow up video of you doing something half decent, you dont have to unhook but you better be able to bust out a handplant or darkslide or something with all the posting experience you have.
i know its not easy given how **** a location townsville is but you gotto do better then that mate
deary me lofty,
you ride like a middle aged kite school owner not a repairer....
honestly i thought you were better then this.
i expect a follow up video of you doing something half decent, you dont have to unhook but you better be able to bust out a handplant or darkslide or something with all the posting experience you have.
i know its not easy given how **** a location townsville is but you gotto do better then that mate
Yeah. The video isn't much chop. But to be honest he is underpowered to hell at 15 knots on a 12 arc..... That thing would need at least 20 knots for to get up and boogie.
My mate has one we played with but i cant see much good of the kite poor wind range think its a 15 but wind range was minimum 15 knotts up so whats the point of it
My mate has one we played with but i cant see much good of the kite poor wind range think its a 15 but wind range was minimum 15 knotts up so whats the point of it
Only in the hands of an amateur. But you are right, wind range is short.
My 12m spins like a 9m Ozone C4, but has the pull of a 14m Switchblade. However, it has poor upwind. In the above video, like Plummet said, the wind was weakening. I managed a few jumps as shown, but they were not easy. I had to do a down-loop back to kite loop on one shot to just get any lift, which I think was the first jump in the video.
But for landkiting, the 12m Synergy is ace. If you search my utube channel you'll find that video too.
Maybe land kiting but for ocean it is **** **** wind range and the way it flies compared to nearly any other kites is crap to be honest but hey it looks good in the sky and never wants to drop down
Maybe land kiting but for ocean it is **** **** wind range and the way it flies compared to nearly any other kites is crap to be honest but hey it looks good in the sky and never wants to drop down
have you flown other foils to make a known comparison or are you comparing LEI kites to the Synergy?
My mate has one we played with but i cant see much good of the kite poor wind range think its a 15 but wind range was minimum 15 knotts up so whats the point of it
Only in the hands of an amateur. But you are right, wind range is short.
My 12m spins like a 9m Ozone C4, but has the pull of a 14m Switchblade. However, it has poor upwind. In the above video, like Plummet said, the wind was weakening. I managed a few jumps as shown, but they were not easy. I had to do a down-loop back to kite loop on one shot to just get any lift, which I think was the first jump in the video.
But for landkiting, the 12m Synergy is ace. If you search my utube channel you'll find that video too.
Oh FFS.
Wind range for the arcs is massive. They don't really work for the water in the bottom half of their wind range but the upper end goes on forever. How big are your balls? How much do you enjoy tennis elbow? Just keep hanging on, they're well behaved.
The only way that 12 will pull like a 14 LEI is if you put it in your backpack and launch the 14. See above. They're not known for sheet n' go static grunt. Unless it's out the top end.
My mate has one we played with but i cant see much good of the kite poor wind range think its a 15 but wind range was minimum 15 knotts up so whats the point of it
Only in the hands of an amateur. But you are right, wind range is short.
My 12m spins like a 9m Ozone C4, but has the pull of a 14m Switchblade. However, it has poor upwind. In the above video, like Plummet said, the wind was weakening. I managed a few jumps as shown, but they were not easy. I had to do a down-loop back to kite loop on one shot to just get any lift, which I think was the first jump in the video.
But for landkiting, the 12m Synergy is ace. If you search my utube channel you'll find that video too.
Oh FFS.
Wind range for the arcs is massive. They don't really work for the water in the bottom half of their wind range but the upper end goes on forever. How big are your balls? How much do you enjoy tennis elbow? Just keep hanging on, they're well behaved.
The only way that 12 will pull like a 14 LEI is if you put it in your backpack and launch the 14. See above. They're not known for sheet n' go static grunt. Unless it's out the top end.
Farrrrkkk!!! I actually enjoyed reading that monkey
Best thing about these kites is the auto zenith.. that should boost anybody to the moon, right?
I am sure I red-thumbed this, but your legion of fans just save the day yet again, ay Marvs? hueon
deary me lofty,
you ride like a middle aged kite school owner not a repairer....
honestly i thought you were better then this.
i expect a follow up video of you doing something half decent, you dont have to unhook but you better be able to bust out a handplant or darkslide or something with all the posting experience you have.
i know its not easy given how **** a location townsville is but you gotto do better then that mate
pretty ****ty spot in Townsville/ Pallarenda and given that its windy every day sucks too matey..
There is a reason they stopped making them. They do not have the performance that kiters on water or land are looking for. They were invented by Peter Lynn and refined by Chris Brent (who worked for Peter Lynn for several years), but the auto zenith was a feature that Peter was looking for to allow him to launch his "Kite Kats" singlehanded. You will get the idea from this video pretty quickly. They lacked upwind performance compared to bridled foils (Peter Lynn did and still do make high performance bridled foils), but they did have auto zenith, which meant Peter could launch unassisted and keep tinkering with the kite cat. The first 3 wheeled, single wheel at the front, land kite buggy was a failed kite cat design, made by Phil McConachie (one of Peter Lynn's apprentices ha!).
Hats off and total respect to all these folks and all of the legion of Arc users, but the simple fact remains, that kite catamarans were just too bulky and cumbersome to attract a sustainable market, and the Arc style kites (originally called Arcs, then F-Arc, then much better versions like the Gorilla, Synergy, Phantom, etc) just did not have the upwind and easy, intuitive boosting potential of LEI style kites, to the point that eventually Peter Lynn and even Flysurfer had to produce LEI kites to stay in business and relevant commercially. In the meantime foil kite designers like Ozone and Flysurfer progressively developed bridled, depower foil kites, which now dominate snow, land and high performance kite hydrofoil racing. Hyrofoil Kite racing is possibly the most high performance single handed form of sailing currently, powered by bridled, depowerable/variable power high AR foil kites.
Best thing about these kites is the auto zenith.. that should boost anybody to the moon, right?
You should know...
"So I parked the kite at 12 and walked easily out toward the waters edge. I was impressed how the kite just stayed directly overhead, never moving or wandering off course. That was impressive for sure, I've never had a kite park so well without the need for constant bar input- however annoyingly small."
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/Flysurfer-Sonic-FR-18m/
I can;t remember what i hated most about about this kite but i think it was the power, or should i say lack of power. I bought it because i thought it would be good for both land boarding and kite surfing. Land boarding - very unimpressed . Kite surfing even more unimpressed . Best thing about it is i no longer have it
I can;t remember what i hated most about about this kite but i think it was the power, or should i say lack of power. I bought it because i thought it would be good for both land boarding and kite surfing. Land boarding - very unimpressed . Kite surfing even more unimpressed . Best thing about it is i no longer have it
You haven't used it right.
We have a guy here that brought his back out for a spin and loved it. He said that he'd forgotten all about it until he saw me on one and said, ".. this thing is amazing in gusts and keeps me powered every time".
I guess we tropicos up here have no idea, ay?
I;m glad you like kite. You could be right maybe i didn;t use it right but sometimes you just know when a kite is not for you. After getting rid of the 12m synergy I got an 11m edge and have never looked back.
I;m glad you like kite. You could be right maybe i didn;t use it right but sometimes you just know when a kite is not for you. After getting rid of the 12m synergy I got an 11m edge and have never looked back.
Good for you man