Top little 21 footer with some great design ideas caught my eye. After a few years of owning older yachts on moorings and the work that entails, this looks like great sailing fun this little boat. Hope they come to Aus ;-)
? Cygnet 20,built here in Cardiff NSW ?
See one on the Lake,with gaff rig = manageable spars .
Select to expand quotePlanter said..
? Cygnet 20,built here in Cardiff NSW ?
See one on the Lake,with gaff rig = manageable spars .
thanks, looks much the same
Denman Marine (Tasmania) have built Swallow yachts in the past. If your keen they would likely build you one.
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Denman Marine (Tasmania) have built Swallow yachts in the past. If your keen they would likely build you one.
At some stage in the past they also sold one of the Swallow boats as a kit and from time to time also list 2nd hard boats on their website.
Select to expand quotekeensailor said..Planter said..
? Cygnet 20,built here in Cardiff NSW ?
See one on the Lake,with gaff rig = manageable spars .
thanks, looks much the same
The Baycruiser 21 is a direct competitor to the Cygnet 20. although they are built on different sides of the planet.
I own a Cygnet 20, but have not seen the Baycruiser 21 in the flesh, although I have looked at it on-line.
If I can avoid a my-boat-is-better-than-your-boat death spiral online, here are some of my thoughts ...
* I genuinely hope the Baycruiser 21 is as good as the review says
* You would expect the principle of competitive pricing to even out the costs between the Baycruiser and Cygnet. Buyers should watch out for "extras" that are really essentials (e.g. does the price of the Baycruiser include the trailer or the outboard?), and taxes (VAT in the UK and GST in Australia). The Baycruiser needs transport costs and it might also attract import duties
* I am very impressed by the build quality of the Cygnet, which is a really solid boat. I hope the Baycruiser is as good.
* For me, the "sweet spot" for trailer sailers is around 20ft, which is where both boats sit. When you have launched and retrieved dozens of times, you'll want something smaller. When you have slept on board, you'll want something bigger.
* Both boats have water ballast, which makes towing easier
* Both boats have spacious cockpits, which is nice for when friends and family come along for day trips
* Both boats claim easy rigging and de-rigging, but its not easy to make a comparison. The Cygnet is a gaff rig with carbon spars, which are nice and light and mean that you don't hoist the (heavy) sail with the mast. When I started, it would take me over an hour to rig and de-rig, but I have reduced the time to, maybe, 20 minutes with practice (and packing it away properly). Even so, I usually allow an hour to do all the odd jobs for preparation, parking the trailer, using the local toilet etc etc. The Cygnet is certainly much more ergonomic than my old, worn out Bermuda-rigged Austral 20, which had an impossibly heavy mast and a mess of stays to get snagged on something during rigging
When you put these factors together, you realize that the target demographic is the older male, with some money to spend on a nice new boat, owns a good towing car, can't be bothered to weight-lift things into position, doesn't need to win every race, has other interests and commitments away from the boat, will probably spend more time sailing alone than with company. Which is where I sit, along with many other Cygnet 20 owners.
The Cygnet 20 is built by Bluewater yachts who certainly know how to produce a quality boat.
Baycruiser 21 imported direct will be at least 100k SthPacificPesos.
I would love one, but just gotta put it out of mind!
Current plan is to pick up the best hull I can find here and completely re-rig with dyneema, fat-head main with good reefing, etc. Probably have to skip the water-ballast.
Could be a pipe dream.
Also,Com-Pac Trailables from Florida ,which were imported a few years ago,but would be too expensive now,as $ dropped .
Are very compact/clever,and some cat-rigged . Could be hard to find ,as an heirloom to pass down the years .
Is a thread on here from April 2024,that mentions Com -Pac,but do not have the skill to link it in !
A few years ago I did a season crewing on a Jim Young 6M water ballasted trailer sailer. I was impressed. Some light reading here:
forums.sailinganarchy.com/threads/water-ballast-and-other-****ery.178821/
