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Jamie Mitchell paddle times?

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Created by hoagie > 9 months ago, 8 Sep 2011
hoagie
VIC, 284 posts
8 Sep 2011 12:25PM
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Last year Jamie Mitchell competed in the SUP race from Sandringham to Half Moon Bay and back (around 5 k's). I know he was a hell of a long way in front of me, but does anyone know what time he did it in?
Trying to stay motivated on my morning paddles and want to test myself. How do you test your paddling? Is it time or distance that you go on?

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
8 Sep 2011 12:43PM
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I think Jamie went so fast that he reversed time, Superman style.

I used to go by time, see how far I could go and what max speed I could hit over set time intervals - one minute, two minutes, five minutes, 20 minutes etc. At the moment, I'm doing the opposite, going by set distance, namely kms. Someone on Seabreeze posted that they aim to do each km in 6:30 to 7:30 mins. When I started on that a few months back, I was struggling to achieve 8 mins per km. Now I've got it down to 7 mins, or 6:30 with some wind or current assistance. This morning I did 7km in 51 mins, flat water, no wind, so I lost a couple of mins in the last half of the session. This is all on 12'6" boards.

surf4fun
WA, 1313 posts
8 Sep 2011 12:21PM
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On flat water I'm looking at averaging 8.5km an hour and on the weekend I did 33km in 4:12 which is about 7.8km/hour. That was against the tide but with a 10 knot tail/cross/head wind as the river snakes its way up stream.

hoagie
VIC, 284 posts
8 Sep 2011 4:41PM
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surf4fun said...

On flat water I'm looking at averaging 8.5km an hour and on the weekend I did 33km in 4:12 which is about 7.8km/hour. That was against the tide but with a 10 knot tail/cross/head wind as the river snakes its way up stream.


Superb effort surf4fun, 33 km is totally out of my league. Maybe if it was downhill, downwind and a helping tide. Gives me something to think about on my next paddle.

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
8 Sep 2011 7:51PM
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haha, its always against the tide or upwind, i should know, it always happens to my times

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
8 Sep 2011 8:30PM
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If you can cover 8km in 60 minutes, you are doing pretty well. At The Great Melbourne Paddle, the leaders did about 50-52 minutes for 8km, in relatively calm conditions, with a mild amount of bump and boat chop.

So these guys were up at about 9 to 9.5km/hr.

Get yourself a course, and measure it on Google Earth. Even just 1km is good. Do a series of 1km "sprints". But only with a 45-60 second recovery. Check your time in the recovery, reset watch, and go again!

www.supvic.com/coreban-great-melbourne-paddle-results/

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
8 Sep 2011 8:42PM
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Hoagie,
What paddle do you use? Just curious.
But big blades lend themselves to power athletes, and smaller blades are perhaps better for aerobic athletes. And you are both right?

Wiki lists you at 208cm. I assume you didn't cut anything off the paddle shaft!?

Have you read any of these?

www.davidkalama.com/2011/01/tempo/
www.davidkalama.com/2010/09/sequencing/
www.davidkalama.com/2011/09/three-common-mistakes/
www.davidkalama.com/2011/03/kalamas-5050/
www.davidkalama.com/2011/03/possessed/

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
8 Sep 2011 8:43PM
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Hey Simon, as my 8km time hovers above the one hour mark in ideal conditions, I've convinced myself that the Great Melbourne Paddle was just a bit shorter than 8km. If I remember correctly, the 4km lap at Green Point was beach to beach whereas the race started on the water and only went to the beach for the finish. So that probably cut as much as 500 metres off the distance. Can't remember if anyone GPS'd the actual race.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
8 Sep 2011 8:58PM
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Brendan said he had a measure on it, bang on 8km.

The mud map in my brain, with a play on Google Earth, give a result of close to 3900m per lap. Plus the extra 30 metres to shore, and 20 metre sprint on shore.

When you play around with the "trapezoid" shape, all options at 3980-4000m laps don't look right.

But it was damn close to 8km.

So Woody, I agree.

(minor Edit, as Lacey grabbed my post)

laceys lane
QLD, 19803 posts
8 Sep 2011 9:01PM
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Simondo said...

Brendan said he had a measure on it, bang on 8km.

The mud map in my brain, with a play on Google Earth, give a result of 3850-3900m per lap. Plus the extra 30 metres to shore, and 20 metre sprint on shore.

When you play around with the "trapezoid" shape, all options at 3980-4000m laps don't look right.

So Woody, I agree.


for those guys that's very do able- 8kms 50 to 52 mins. even the next tier down can do those times in the right conditions

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
8 Sep 2011 9:10PM
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Woody, I found this pic to remind me of exactly where the bottom marker was...
www.whitecapsphotography.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=114376847

Then I found this photo !
www.whitecapsphotography.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=108760576

Yes, I think 3900 laps.


PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
8 Sep 2011 9:15PM
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You guys, please stop posting all these inconvenient facts. I want believe, nay, I MUST believe that my current times are not that crap. At least until Sunday when the delusion is shattered in the first race of the season.

hoagie
VIC, 284 posts
8 Sep 2011 9:51PM
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Simondo said...

Hoagie,
What paddle do you use? Just curious.
But big blades lend themselves to power athletes, and smaller blades are perhaps better for aerobic athletes. And you are both right?

Wiki lists you at 208cm. I assume you didn't cut anything off the paddle shaft!?

Have you read any of these?

www.davidkalama.com/2011/01/tempo/
www.davidkalama.com/2010/09/sequencing/
www.davidkalama.com/2011/09/three-common-mistakes/
www.davidkalama.com/2011/03/kalamas-5050/
www.davidkalama.com/2011/03/possessed/



Hey Simondo

My current paddle is 223cm long and has a 24cm or 9.5 inch blade, custom paddle from Dean Snow. I was happy with the paddle length with my old 12'6 starboard and my 8'11 short sup, but since I got the 17 Glide recently I'm sitting out of the water by a couple of inches more. I read the "three common mistakes" yesterday and paid a bit more attention with my stroke length this morning. I noticed my natural stroke length goes past my feet, this feels more comfortable and more power over a longer length of each stroke. This will probably puts me in the stuborn power paddler group. I think his best point was to stay relaxed as possible to eliminate all other stress during your paddle.
Well this is my thinking at the end of my session, then I jump in the bay, get a bit of a brain freeze as you feel the beautiful water temperature that we enjoy down here.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
8 Sep 2011 9:58PM
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I have a Dean Snow paddle too. I think 8.5 inches across. Beautifully light paddles. Great balance, feather weight paddle, but so strong!

adolf
1862 posts
8 Sep 2011 8:02PM
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hoagie said...

Last year Jamie Mitchell competed in the SUP race from Sandringham to Half Moon Bay and back (around 5 k's). I know he was a hell of a long way in front of me, but does anyone know what time he did it in?
Trying to stay motivated on my morning paddles and want to test myself. How do you test your paddling? Is it time or distance that you go on?


Can you tell me/us more about your routine and your morning paddle. What's your current routine?

camo hosk
VIC, 613 posts
8 Sep 2011 10:21PM
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Simondo said...

Woody, I found this pic to remind me of exactly where the bottom marker was...
www.whitecapsphotography.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=114376847

Then I found this photo !
www.whitecapsphotography.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=108760576

Yes, I think 3900 laps.





Hey Simon,

from memory of last years race its the second marker that you need the pic of to determine actual race distance, although it tends to disappear and suddenly reappear depending on brightness and blindness of the sun.

hoagie
VIC, 284 posts
8 Sep 2011 10:28PM
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I've been into shorter paddles lately. 15 minute warm up paddle, then I've got a set of stairs (around 100 steps) that i run up and down 3 -5 times with sets up push ups, sit ups pull ups, squat jumps all on the sand in between each set of stairs. Throw in a few 200 meter sand runs as well. 15 minute paddle back, then i do a few 200 meters prone paddles and also on my knees. I find it's a good quick workout that gets the heart pumping before i head off to work. Only problem is running in the sand early in the morning with no shoes on, it kills your feet when they are cold. Also got to be wary of any nasty things sticking out of the sand.
What are other's doing with their workouts or is it all just about the paddle?

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
8 Sep 2011 10:29PM
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camo hosk said...

Hey Simon,

from memory of last years race its the second marker that you need the pic of to determine actual race distance, although it tends to disappear and suddenly reappear depending on brightness and blindness of the sun.



We might need to place a laser flare on all markers this year.

adolf
1862 posts
8 Sep 2011 8:30PM
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hoagie said...

I've been into shorter paddles lately. 15 minute warm up paddle, then I've got a set of stairs (around 100 steps) that i run up and down 3 -5 times with sets up push ups, sit ups pull ups, squat jumps all on the sand in between each set of stairs. Throw in a few 200 meter sand runs as well. 15 minute paddle back, then i do a few 200 meters prone paddles and also on my knees. I find it's a good quick workout that gets the heart pumping before i head off to work. Only problem is running in the sand early in the morning with no shoes on, it kills your feet when they are cold. Also got to be wary of any nasty things sticking out of the sand.
What are other's doing with their workouts or is it all just about the paddle?


Is that all! If you want to be like Jamie Mitchell you should add 100 star jumps at the top and bottom of the stairs. Put that in your routine tomorrow.

I'm guessing you probably wake up at 5:00am. Set your alarm for 3:00am

PTWoody
VIC, 3982 posts
8 Sep 2011 10:33PM
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hoagie said...

I've been into shorter paddles lately. 15 minute warm up paddle, then I've got a set of stairs (around 100 steps) that i run up and down 3 -5 times with sets up push ups, sit ups pull ups, squat jumps all on the sand in between each set of stairs. Throw in a few 200 meter sand runs as well. 15 minute paddle back, then i do a few 200 meters prone paddles and also on my knees. I find it's a good quick workout that gets the heart pumping before i head off to work. Only problem is running in the sand early in the morning with no shoes on, it kills your feet when they are cold. Also got to be wary of any nasty things sticking out of the sand.
What are other's doing with their workouts or is it all just about the paddle?


Paddle 800 metres, run 200 metres, repeat several more times.

hoagie
VIC, 284 posts
8 Sep 2011 10:36PM
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adolf said...

hoagie said...

I've been into shorter paddles lately. 15 minute warm up paddle, then I've got a set of stairs (around 100 steps) that i run up and down 3 -5 times with sets up push ups, sit ups pull ups, squat jumps all on the sand in between each set of stairs. Throw in a few 200 meter sand runs as well. 15 minute paddle back, then i do a few 200 meters prone paddles and also on my knees. I find it's a good quick workout that gets the heart pumping before i head off to work. Only problem is running in the sand early in the morning with no shoes on, it kills your feet when they are cold. Also got to be wary of any nasty things sticking out of the sand.
What are other's doing with their workouts or is it all just about the paddle?


Is that all! If you want to be like Jamie Mitchell you should add 100 star jumps at the top and bottom of the stairs.


Mate I know I can't be like him but I'd like to get back to the beach before he's put his board on the car and is half way out of the car park

Gassa
QLD, 272 posts
9 Sep 2011 8:18PM
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garmin 310xt tracks everything and water proof

Gassa
QLD, 272 posts
9 Sep 2011 8:22PM
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Gassa said...

garmin 310xt tracks everything and water proof


this watch size gps even let you know if you are paddling slower than the last time you paddle there
and lets you know if your heart stops if you also buy the heart rate monitor with it expensive but good to train by yourself with.



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