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Blue skies and 25 Knot winds (Drone Video)

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Created by WsurfAustin > 9 months ago, 24 Feb 2024
WsurfAustin
585 posts
24 Feb 2024 1:47AM
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A great day for February in Austin. Got in 43 miles after lunch.

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Mr Keen
QLD, 622 posts
24 Feb 2024 5:20AM
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Nice Wind has failed to turn up here....

2keen
WA, 367 posts
24 Feb 2024 8:22AM
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Plenty of high riding action there!!
Hows the Duck Gybe at 1:20, doesn't get much higher than that

Mark _australia
WA, 22762 posts
24 Feb 2024 9:43AM
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Title of the vid rather upsetting to West Australians at the moment

WsurfAustin
585 posts
24 Feb 2024 10:09PM
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2keen said..
Plenty of high riding action there!!
Hows the Duck Gybe at 1:20, doesn't get much higher than that


Ya, 103.1 CM . You can just see the breach we're I get "wiggley". I've gotten where I can survive downwind breaches, but upwind, not so much.

BullroarerTook
243 posts
24 Feb 2024 11:46PM
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So good. 2.8?

WsurfAustin
585 posts
25 Feb 2024 7:56AM
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BullroarerTook said..
So good. 2.8?


Thanks,
3.7 sail

sarfendfatboy
7 posts
5 Mar 2024 5:14PM
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Nice vid very envious, how come its so flat in 25kt's on a 3.7 or do you only weigh 50kg's?

WsurfAustin
585 posts
5 Mar 2024 11:07PM
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Youtube compression kills the water features like white caps etc compared to the native files. Wind here also ebbs and flows on a damed up river. It takes 35 knots to generate swell. Even then, the wavelength is pretty short. + our lake is 45' low with 1/2 the normal surface area .

I weigh 64kg. That was a pretty good day with 3+ hours of 25 knot gusts. You kind of have to chase the wind line around though. Nothing very consistent. Seems my max speed with the 3.7 and my skill level is 21 knots on the PFI730. 25 knot wind is about my max for a 3.7 sail.

John340
QLD, 3228 posts
6 Mar 2024 12:37PM
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WsurfAustin said..
A great day for February in Austin. Got in 43 miles after lunch.
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Great video and riding Matt. Looked like a nasty dismount at around the 22 sec mark!

WsurfAustin
585 posts
7 Mar 2024 2:44AM
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John340 said..

WsurfAustin said..
A great day for February in Austin. Got in 43 miles after lunch.
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Great video and riding Matt. Looked like a nasty dismount at around the 22 sec mark!


Thanks John,
Ya, sometimes things don't go as planned

miamiwindsurfe
161 posts
7 Mar 2024 4:21AM
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Q, I looked up Pfi730, looks like very large surface low profile foil, in 25 kn at your weight that is similar to mine, why the choice? I would be on mid/high aspect <=1000cm with 3.1 or 2.8 M2 sail in this conditions. Actually, trying to figure out how small I can go on foil and still be comfortable in high winds, getting 700cm2 front wing ar 8.0

WsurfAustin
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7 Mar 2024 9:18PM
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Q, I looked up Pfi730, looks like very large surface low profile foil, in 25 kn at your weight that is similar to mine, why the choice? I would be on mid/high aspect <=1000cm with 3.1 or 2.8 M2 sail in this conditions. Actually, trying to figure out how small I can go on foil and still be comfortable in high winds, getting 700cm2 front wing ar 8.0


The 730 has a huge speed range to maximize foil time in highly variable wind. Crazy low stall speed, but still manageable in high winds. At my location I prefer more flight time than top end speed. I also rode a G800 mid aspect smaller surface area wing that was very stable and glidey, but I couldn't go any faster than the 730. It would drop off the foil a tad sooner then the 730. It was also slower responding toe to heel turns and not as agile due to the span. Nothing wrong with any of that, just personal preference.

I Just received a Sabfoil Medusa 769 but have yet to ride it. I'm slowly trying different wings, but with my limited experience, the 730 just works in pretty much all conditions. It will be interesting to see how much sail is required for the Medusa.

I saw a post were Greg Glazier hit 28 knots on the 730. No f'n way I'm getting anywhere near that

miamiwindsurfe
161 posts
7 Mar 2024 11:44PM
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Big guys can muscle low aspect foils to higher speed, for us light weights much better way: low drag foils, small sails, I use shorter fusilage among other things for smother transitions, since longer ones want to track straight. New generation foils coming out of 'wing world' are dramatically better, but you have to do your homework, some models like to glide but unstable in jibes. i use Gong, took a while to understand their current line well, made many wrong turns

Gwarn
233 posts
8 Mar 2024 12:57AM
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I'm another fan of the 730 front wing there's nothing wrong with low aspect wings you can almost take them down to 2 mph before they stall and they turn on a dime fast or slow.
You'd be amazed on the differences stabilizers will make on the low aspect Delta wings.
Stabilizer changes will give you more then fuselage changes.
I consider the low aspects like riding a beach cruiser in a skateboard park.
I found that the sail hinders you most when it comes to carving on the swell.
A sail that doesn't depower all the way like the ezzy hindered you during carving because it always has power in it even when you have it low.
Unlike the north 3DI that I'm on that is totally flat and a dog but it makes for magical carving.

I've had an opportunity this year to ride a lot of different wings I still like the low aspect just because you have the low stall speed which means when I get on the bigger swell you stay on it and stay up and cut deep and hard.

But yes I am bigger and my board is traditional with the foil mast as far back as it can go which will give you different performances in handling than the Kalama style windboards.
But my style is my style I don't expect anybody else to accept it.
The reason I'm posting is people look at my setup on the beach and comment on the low aspect wing. And then give me the whole pitch that I should be on a high aspect I just chuckle.
I don't know how Greg Glazer does it I've been riding with him this winter and his upwind angles and speed are untouchable on the 730.
And I'm on the same combo he has.

And if you haven't mastered your transitions on your original low aspect beach cruiser wing that you started on you shouldn't be changing until you do.
I think that's one of the problem people have they start drinking all the media hype and start switching gear before they're ready and it just holds them back....



miamiwindsurfe
161 posts
8 Mar 2024 1:42AM
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My testing ground are Miami and Cabarete, benchmarks are large # of wingers that started on low aspect few years back, now all on medium to high aspect, and you wouldn't pay them or me to switch back, it feels like you have an anchor attached to foil. Once technique pass beg level, there no benefit to high drag that couldn't compensate with speed or gentle foot pumping when you feel you're loosing power. Bottom line, low aspect foils=high drag=need for more power to reach higher average speeds.

Gwarn
233 posts
8 Mar 2024 2:04AM
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I figured my response would trigger you.

I'm a wind foiler and not a winger so whatever they do doesn't interest me I have nothing to prove to them.

And I understand you're in Miami so low wind so you need every technical Advantage possible.
I'm in 18 mph and up so it different for me I'm blessed I have the wind.....
If it's not 18 I have other things I go do.
San Francisco Bay and spring and summer and Baja in the winter.....

Like I always say now my style is my style and most likely will not be your style.....

So back to the original post don't short change the 730 wing as the video shows it's a good riding wing.....


miamiwindsurfe
161 posts
8 Mar 2024 3:20AM
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It's not a matter of proving something to someone, my only interest is to make my time on the water using windfoil more fun; ignoring large group of water men using very similar tools while their toy development is on steroids and their technique improves just as rapid do to it, makes me analyze and incorporate what ever I find useful. Faster flying, smaller, lighter ,more responsive, efficient gear is what I'm after.



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