Hello. I am an 85kg intermediate windfoiler with pumping technique that needs improvement. I have been windsurfing since the 80's and learned to foil on SS HG i76 and i99 on a SS L150. Gybes are a work in progress. I can typically get flying at 9 mph (4 m/s, 7.8 knts) of board speed. I have no interest in going faster than 20-22 knots and rig smaller sails when conditions warrant. I am most comfortable at a board speed of 13 knts.I have upgraded to the Phantasm G900/PS400 lower paired with a carbon W103 but, I can't try it out until the spring. I foil on the SS L150v1 and SS wizard 114v3.
My understanding is that HA wings need more speed to get on foil, but due to their lower drag glide better through lulls. I selected the MA G900 hoping it would be a my medium to high wind foil of choice.
To decide on a 2nd front wing (if necessary), I can't seem to find any practical information, just repackaged product descriptions. The SS site has charts rating lift, glide, stall.. but I've struggled to compare and correlate across the HG wings I've used to the newer PFI and G series to decide on a 2nd front wing for light wind days.
Are the LA wings still a sensible new purchase? I am considering the PFI 835 (the new i84) for light wind days while it is available on sale now. Would the G1001 or 1007 be a better choice for light wind days? I may also try winging someday and the 835 would seem to be a good starting place.
The 80cm HG Wing to Phantasm Converter Fuse is not available anywhere or I would just wait and try my i99.
Thank you
Once you get used to a g900, you probably won't like the pfi835. The big pfi wings feel very much like they only go one speed, so the overpower easily because they don't really accelerate in the gusts. The g1000 is the next logical step up from the g900 as it is a much more powerful foil. Might also want to try the ps360 stabilizer to open up the speed range on the g series foils which gives them much better range for when the wind picks up. I don't know anyone who has windsurfed with the g1007. To me it seems excessively large (I am 90kg). The g1007 was intended as a light wind foil for heavyweight wingers.
I have the ptm926 which looks close to the g900, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I found with back to back testing that even with less area than the i76 it gets flying earlier. I also had someone else ride my kit and he flew the ptm926 earlier than my 76. But I'm also actively pumping. It took me a while to figure out how to pump, and am always improving. Around 4kts boardspeed, give or take, I can pump and get flying. It was similar on the i76 but it took more wind power to fly on the infinity series.
If there's not enough to fly with that I wil go completely different foil style (iqfoil) so I don't know if a bigger front wing would be better for light wind with that setup or not.
Select to expand quotejdfoils said..
Once you get used to a g900, you probably won't like the pfi835. The big pfi wings feel very much like they only go one speed, so the overpower easily because they don't really accelerate in the gusts. The g1000 is the next logical step up from the g900 as it is a much more powerful foil. Might also want to try the ps360 stabilizer to open up the speed range on the g series foils which gives them much better range for when the wind picks up. I don't know anyone who has windsurfed with the g1007. To me it seems excessively large (I am 90kg). The g1007 was intended as a light wind foil for heavyweight wingers.
I have definitely felt the speed limitations with the i99.
I am guessing cm2 is not even an accurate comparison point between the PFI and G Series due to the aspect ratio differences.
How significant might the 92 cm2 difference between the G900 and 1000?
Given that the i76 was the base of the FWind offering, I inferred that the G900/872 lower was positioned similarly in the G series. Maybe the G900 has usage range I need for now.
I am likely over thinking this.
Thanks
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..
I have the ptm926 which looks close to the g900, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I found with back to back testing that even with less area than the i76 it gets flying earlier. I also had someone else ride my kit and he flew the ptm926 earlier than my 76. But I'm also actively pumping. It took me a while to figure out how to pump, and am always improving. Around 4kts boardspeed, give or take, I can pump and get flying. It was similar on the i76 but it took more wind power to fly on the infinity series.
If there's not enough to fly with that I wil go completely different foil style (iqfoil) so I don't know if a bigger front wing would be better for light wind with that setup or not.
I have read that the G-Series is based off the PTM926.
Wow."4kts boardspeed, give or take, I can pump and get flying". I really need to work on my technique.
How much do you weigh?
Select to expand quoteHambone185 said..aeroegnr said..
I have the ptm926 which looks close to the g900, but someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
I found with back to back testing that even with less area than the i76 it gets flying earlier. I also had someone else ride my kit and he flew the ptm926 earlier than my 76. But I'm also actively pumping. It took me a while to figure out how to pump, and am always improving. Around 4kts boardspeed, give or take, I can pump and get flying. It was similar on the i76 but it took more wind power to fly on the infinity series.
If there's not enough to fly with that I wil go completely different foil style (iqfoil) so I don't know if a bigger front wing would be better for light wind with that setup or not.
I have read that the G-Series is based off the PTM926.
Wow."4kts boardspeed, give or take, I can pump and get flying". I really need to work on my technique.
How much do you weigh?
I am a little over 90kg now. But yeah usually when I hit 4kts board speed and I'm rigged appropriately with sail size I can fly on freeride or race foils, but do need more power if it's choppy.
It's was very frustrating learning to pump to fly at first, as the coordination was odd. Rear foot placement matters a lot as does rhythm. I try to get a lot of hip movement in and only pull hard on the sails when my arms are extended as it's more effective and less hard on my arms. It really helps to see someone on similar equipment as you right next to you, if that's possible. Videos help too but someone there and more experienced will help you size rig and tactically on when in the gust it's best to pump, as well as angle to the wind. It can vary a bit for different setups. You should be able to hold a course and pump mostly with your hips. I was putting way too much in my arms at the wrong time and it kept me from holding a straight course while pumping.
Not having a rear foot strap can help, as it frees you up to move more fore/aft to pump and ofen you need to be more inboard.
Yes, the g900 is an evolution of the ptm926 (which was my daily driver 2 years ago) and feels very much the same.
Yes, the ptm926 (and g900) with decent technique will foil up in less wind that the i76 or pfi730
Yes, the g1000 feels significantly more powerful than the ptm926 or g900 and will get on foil in lighter wind.
An alternative option for you. SABFOIL WO945 as they fit on the Phantasm fuse. All you need are the SABFOIL washer kit ($10). There's a 2nd hand WO945 for sale on here in QLD (not mine) for $430.
I've used the Slingshot PTM wings and prefer the SABFOIL Onda's as they're more playful and user friendly with good glide. Another option to consider.
Select to expand quoteRewind said..
An alternative option for you. SABFOIL WO945 as they fit on the Phantasm fuse. All you need are the SABFOIL washer kit ($10). There's a 2nd hand WO945 for sale on here in QLD (not mine) for $430.
I've used the Slingshot PTM wings and prefer the SABFOIL Onda's as they're more playful and user friendly with good glide. Another option to consider.
I have a PTM 926 & 899 and WO940. The 940 is a great foil but the 899 is better.
Select to expand quoteHambone185 said..
Hello. I am an 85kg intermediate windfoiler with pumping technique that needs improvement. I have been windsurfing since the 80's and learned to foil on SS HG i76 and i99 on a SS L150. Gybes are a work in progress. I can typically get flying at 9 mph (4 m/s, 7.8 knts) of board speed. I have no interest in going faster than 20-22 knots and rig smaller sails when conditions warrant. I am most comfortable at a board speed of 13 knts.I have upgraded to the Phantasm G900/PS400 lower paired with a carbon W103 but, I can't try it out until the spring. I foil on the SS L150v1 and SS wizard 114v3.
My understanding is that HA wings need more speed to get on foil, but due to their lower drag glide better through lulls. I selected the MA G900 hoping it would be a my medium to high wind foil of choice.
To decide on a 2nd front wing (if necessary), I can't seem to find any practical information, just repackaged product descriptions. The SS site has charts rating lift, glide, stall.. but I've struggled to compare and correlate across the HG wings I've used to the newer PFI and G series to decide on a 2nd front wing for light wind days.
Are the LA wings still a sensible new purchase? I am considering the PFI 835 (the new i84) for light wind days while it is available on sale now. Would the G1001 or 1007 be a better choice for light wind days? I may also try winging someday and the 835 would seem to be a good starting place.
The 80cm HG Wing to Phantasm Converter Fuse is not available anywhere or I would just wait and try my i99.
Thank you
If you haven't tried the 103W carbon mast, and are coming off the HG mast, you are in for a treat 
. As far as HA vs. LA wings. Just depends on what kind of riding you prefer. I've had the g800, PFI 730 and I76. Gotta say the 730 is more fun and agile for me. The PFI 730 is way different than the I76 IMO. Faster and easier to control lift at high speeds (21ish knots knots for me). But still has a huge speed range.
Full disclosure, I prefer not to pump anything ??.
I'll pump the sail a few times, and the board once to launch, but once I'm up I don't pump the board.
And I won't go out if I need a sail larger than 4.5 for my 64kg's. Larger sails on the 114 feel awkward to me.
Select to expand quoteJohn340 said..Rewind said..
An alternative option for you. SABFOIL WO945 as they fit on the Phantasm fuse. All you need are the SABFOIL washer kit ($10). There's a 2nd hand WO945 for sale on here in QLD (not mine) for $430.
I've used the Slingshot PTM wings and prefer the SABFOIL Onda's as they're more playful and user friendly with good glide. Another option to consider.
I have a PTM 926 & 899 and WO940. The 940 is a great foil but the 899 is better.
The G899 sounds like a great wing but at 925cm2 it's not going to be better in light wind than his high wind G900 at 1263cm2.
I double checked the options Hambone185 is considering - the G1001 and G1007. I didn't realise that the G1001 is a rebranded PTM1001 and the G900 is a rebranded PTM926.
I have the PTM926 and the PTM1001 so can compare. The PTM1001 is an excellent wing and I love it. Loads of glide and it carves hard when pushed. It's totally different from the PTM926, it took a little time to work out the technique for gibing it. Note its wing span and that glide in light wind translates to an unsettled ride in choppy or unsettled water conditions. So the G1001 is very different from the G900 in the way it rides as it offers a more technical ride and lots of glide, but maybe not any more wind range for those light wind days.
The best suggestion I can provide is, as others on here suggested to me, demo everything that you can (if you can)
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..Hambone185 said..
Hello. I am an 85kg intermediate windfoiler with pumping technique that needs improvement. I have been windsurfing since the 80's and learned to foil on SS HG i76 and i99 on a SS L150. Gybes are a work in progress. I can typically get flying at 9 mph (4 m/s, 7.8 knts) of board speed. I have no interest in going faster than 20-22 knots and rig smaller sails when conditions warrant. I am most comfortable at a board speed of 13 knts.I have upgraded to the Phantasm G900/PS400 lower paired with a carbon W103 but, I can't try it out until the spring. I foil on the SS L150v1 and SS wizard 114v3.
My understanding is that HA wings need more speed to get on foil, but due to their lower drag glide better through lulls. I selected the MA G900 hoping it would be a my medium to high wind foil of choice.
To decide on a 2nd front wing (if necessary), I can't seem to find any practical information, just repackaged product descriptions. The SS site has charts rating lift, glide, stall.. but I've struggled to compare and correlate across the HG wings I've used to the newer PFI and G series to decide on a 2nd front wing for light wind days.
Are the LA wings still a sensible new purchase? I am considering the PFI 835 (the new i84) for light wind days while it is available on sale now. Would the G1001 or 1007 be a better choice for light wind days? I may also try winging someday and the 835 would seem to be a good starting place.
The 80cm HG Wing to Phantasm Converter Fuse is not available anywhere or I would just wait and try my i99.
Thank you
If you haven't tried the 103W carbon mast, and are coming off the HG mast, you are in for a treat . As far as HA vs. LA wings. Just depends on what kind of riding you prefer. I've had the g800, PFI 730 and I76. Gotta say the 730 is more fun and agile for me. The PFI 730 is way different than the I76 IMO. Faster and easier to control lift at high speeds (21ish knots knots for me). But still has a huge speed range.
Full disclosure, I prefer not to pump anything ??.
I'll pump the sail a few times, and the board once to launch, but once I'm up I don't pump the board.
And I won't go out if I need a sail larger than 4.5 for my 64kg's. Larger sails on the 114 feel awkward to me.
Yes, upgrading from 92 cm HG mast which had too much flex. There is significant chop where I sail so the 103W was sorely needed.
I will use the 114L in higher winds and use the 150L for lighter days.
Do you still have the G800 and PFI730? If so, is the 730 then your go to foil and in what conditions do you use the G800?
G800 /PFI 730 Mfg specs:
Thanks for the input
Select to expand quoteRewind said..John340 said..Rewind said..
An alternative option for you. SABFOIL WO945 as they fit on the Phantasm fuse. All you need are the SABFOIL washer kit ($10). There's a 2nd hand WO945 for sale on here in QLD (not mine) for $430.
I've used the Slingshot PTM wings and prefer the SABFOIL Onda's as they're more playful and user friendly with good glide. Another option to consider.
I have a PTM 926 & 899 and WO940. The 940 is a great foil but the 899 is better.
The G899 sounds like a great wing but at 925cm2 it's not going to be better in light wind than his high wind G900 at 1263cm2.
I double checked the options Hambone185 is considering - the G1001 and G1007. I didn't realise that the G1001 is a rebranded PTM1001 and the G900 is a rebranded PTM926.
I have the PTM926 and the PTM1001 so can compare. The PTM1001 is an excellent wing and I love it. Loads of glide and it carves hard when pushed. It's totally different from the PTM926, it took a little time to work out the technique for gibing it. Note its wing span and that glide in light wind translates to an unsettled ride in choppy or unsettled water conditions. So the G1001 is very different from the G900 in the way it rides as it offers a more technical ride and lots of glide, but maybe not any more wind range for those light wind days.
The best suggestion I can provide is, as others on here suggested to me, demo everything that you can (if you can)
Light winds on the bay here include prodigious crisscross boat wakes that both the i76 and i99 handled pretty well.
Demo is unfortunately not really an option in this area.
Maybe the PFI 835 will handle the chop better than the G1000 due to its HG i84 heritage.
Thanks for the insight.
Select to expand quoteHambone185 said..WsurfAustin said..Hambone185 said..
Hello. I am an 85kg intermediate windfoiler with pumping technique that needs improvement. I have been windsurfing since the 80's and learned to foil on SS HG i76 and i99 on a SS L150. Gybes are a work in progress. I can typically get flying at 9 mph (4 m/s, 7.8 knts) of board speed. I have no interest in going faster than 20-22 knots and rig smaller sails when conditions warrant. I am most comfortable at a board speed of 13 knts.I have upgraded to the Phantasm G900/PS400 lower paired with a carbon W103 but, I can't try it out until the spring. I foil on the SS L150v1 and SS wizard 114v3.
My understanding is that HA wings need more speed to get on foil, but due to their lower drag glide better through lulls. I selected the MA G900 hoping it would be a my medium to high wind foil of choice.
To decide on a 2nd front wing (if necessary), I can't seem to find any practical information, just repackaged product descriptions. The SS site has charts rating lift, glide, stall.. but I've struggled to compare and correlate across the HG wings I've used to the newer PFI and G series to decide on a 2nd front wing for light wind days.
Are the LA wings still a sensible new purchase? I am considering the PFI 835 (the new i84) for light wind days while it is available on sale now. Would the G1001 or 1007 be a better choice for light wind days? I may also try winging someday and the 835 would seem to be a good starting place.
The 80cm HG Wing to Phantasm Converter Fuse is not available anywhere or I would just wait and try my i99.
Thank you
If you haven't tried the 103W carbon mast, and are coming off the HG mast, you are in for a treat . As far as HA vs. LA wings. Just depends on what kind of riding you prefer. I've had the g800, PFI 730 and I76. Gotta say the 730 is more fun and agile for me. The PFI 730 is way different than the I76 IMO. Faster and easier to control lift at high speeds (21ish knots knots for me). But still has a huge speed range.
Full disclosure, I prefer not to pump anything ??.
I'll pump the sail a few times, and the board once to launch, but once I'm up I don't pump the board.
And I won't go out if I need a sail larger than 4.5 for my 64kg's. Larger sails on the 114 feel awkward to me.
Yes, upgrading from 92 cm HG mast which had too much flex. There is significant chop where I sail so the 103W was sorely needed.
I will use the 114L in higher winds and use the 150L for lighter days.
Do you still have the G800 and PFI730? If so, is the 730 then your go to foil and in what conditions do you use the G800?
G800 /PFI 730 Mfg specs:
Thanks for the input
I actually sold the g800. I would have kept it if I did more light wind and bigger sails. It is a cruise machine and it carves nicely. The carve radius for me is larger and doesn't respond a quick as the 730 just due to its span. It had more lift than I was expecting. So similar take off speed to the 730, but does drop out a bit sooner. It certainly does "glide" better than the 730. Wish I had it learning jubes. Very stable and the large turning radius with the glide gives you a lot of time to jibe. I'm on a lake with highly variable wind speeds and I can get through lulls better with 730. It seems to cover a huge range of wind speeds. Seems like I had to re launch more often with the g800. lift and speed is similar to the 730, so they were to similar to justify both and I just prefer the 730.
