Not a simple question here.
Looking at say 2020-2022-2023 Freestyle boards from say Fanatic, Severne, JP, Starboard. Which one is better for freeride/straight line/bump-jump/speed from your experience? I feel that the more specialized freestyle boards become, they start to feel better for some double tricks which i don't do but may also become stiffer and less comfortable in straight line/speed or carving and occasional wave..
Have only ever sailed the JP freestyle boards but these are just not made for straight line freeride sailing.
You can of course, but it just feels weird. Probably better off with a FSW board unless you are serious about freestyle tricks. Those freestyle wave boards kinda do it all, fast bump and jump, playful, can probably do a trick or two on them and work reasonably well in moderate waves and confused seas.
It reads like are after a freestyle board for everything except freestyle?
Agree with the above reply and will add that it sounds like you just want the least wave oriented FSW? But thruster would be good..... so big single all the time will serve you well, and on a more wavy day then go to the thruster setup.
Surely starboard ignite cause they give you 2 footstrap rows for outboard straps and also a second longer fin. Probably the only freestyle board that has these.
Or.. Just buy a crossover board (a classic single fin freestyle wave) . Exocet cross, patrik f-Cross, an older jp fsw. These go a bit better than a multi fin or freestyle board for freeride.
That's what I was scared of - not getting answers to the question I asked.. I'm pretty advanced level and know exactly what I need and ask. Wasn't looking for recommendations on FSW but rather personal experience from people who tried recent freestyle boards.
For example, a few companies now made boards 210cm long (Severne, Pratik) some still stick to 220-227 Fanatic, JP. I wonder if anyone who sailed them can compare. I and bet other people will be interested in your experiences. Opinions are awesome but if you never sailed these boards then let people who actually did talk.
I heard the transition happened a long time ago like 2012? Before that freestyle boards were still great low wind Freeriders. Reason is moves went from carving to backwind. Regardless ask the manufacturers too, it could also be worth looking at earlier skates?
I tested the 2012 JP FS in 106, a boat / tank of a board! Planed in nothing, popped on anything, lots of fun. Yet the skate was better even then...
Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.
Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. But that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...
Select to expand quoteYou said sticking to what we can buy new but you also say all the new ones are for newer style freestyle and have less freeride ability. Thus the FSW suggestions
If you read reviews they won't say which board is most freeridey so I do get why U ask here
Maybe U need two boards ??
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Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.
Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. But that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...
Think there was German test feedback of say the super short Tabou twister 209cm , that it need a fraction more power to lift out
www-surf--magazin-de.translate.goog/boards/freestyle/test-2022-freestyleboard-tabou-twister/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
So I think yr right looking for the Psycho 2 etc .... Ive got a psycho 1 .... The huge tail depth pumps up really quick - Im a freestyle orientated user - shakes/spocks/grubbies etc .... But I use the psycho a lot just blasting around the harbour here with my 13yo son - and never feel I want anything else faster . The big block tail on the Severne gives a lot to 'push' off ... and more grunt than say a 2014 skate (that generation had pretty thin tails depth wise vs today) ..... I also changed from stock fin to something more rake to give bit extra grip carving upwind into moves ...
think also , if you do sail something that is a bit more 'freestyle ' (less tracking) - then running a slightly bigger gruntier fin SHOULD ? give you that more straight line prioritise planning appeal in lighter airs , even if the board has a really flat rail to rail shape ...... have a look for bottom shapes that have a bit more v.
Have a look up what Mike Burns says re freestyle boards - he's always reviewing their blasting capabilities for other guys on the water at his spot ....
Select to expand quoteleto said..
That's what I was scared of - not getting answers to the question I asked.. I'm pretty advanced level and know exactly what I need and ask. Wasn't looking for recommendations on FSW but rather personal experience from people who tried recent freestyle boards.
OK! Guess we're just trying to be helpful here. Based on what you write then it looks you are interested in hearing about which board performs the least terrible when sailing fast in a straight line?
Anyway, l wouldn't recommend the JP based on personal experience but that was a 2018 model and can't compare to other brands. I prefer not to sail these boards unless I would go all in on freestyle.
The MB Wildcat can do both very well, when you change the fin. Balz M?llers freestyle Board until just recently. I have the older single fin version and use it as a bump jump / straight line board on cold days. Very good control, gybing in chop and more classic freestyle.
Select to expand quoteseabreezer said..leto said..
Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.
Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. But that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...
Think there was German test feedback of say the super short Tabou twister 209cm , that it need a fraction more power to lift out
www-surf--magazin-de.translate.goog/boards/freestyle/test-2022-freestyleboard-tabou-twister/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
So I think yr right looking for the Psycho 2 etc .... Ive got a psycho 1 .... The huge tail depth pumps up really quick - Im a freestyle orientated user - shakes/spocks/grubbies etc .... But I use the psycho a lot just blasting around the harbour here with my 13yo son - and never feel I want anything else faster . The big block tail on the Severne gives a lot to 'push' off ... and more grunt than say a 2014 skate (that generation had pretty thin tails depth wise vs today) ..... I also changed from stock fin to something more rake to give bit extra grip carving upwind into moves ...
think also , if you do sail something that is a bit more 'freestyle ' (less tracking) - then running a slightly bigger gruntier fin SHOULD ? give you that more straight line prioritise planning appeal in lighter airs , even if the board has a really flat rail to rail shape ...... have a look for bottom shapes that have a bit more v.
Have a look up what Mike Burns says re freestyle boards - he's always reviewing their blasting capabilities for other guys on the water at his spot ....
What size psycho do you have? I have 102 v2. What type and size fin do you use for blasting?
102 .... I use a swept back 19cm fin (enough for me even blasting) .... will try stock fin again as when I first used board with stock fin - straps set-up wasn't right - and it made issues with a few moves - so I changed everything at once - and new stance worked good with the 2nd fin ....
Ive thrown in a grunty 22cm g10 on a 93skate for my son learning straps / staying upwind - and it was night and day vs stock freestyle 19 ash fin (stiffened straightline considerably )
looking for the same.. did you find a board that performs like you want? how about the 209cm boards?
I have a 110lt starboard flare 2012 i use as my high wind board while my son uses as his low wind board. fantastic board. planes early, stable, fast, light, pops easily etc...... is an absolute joy to blast on. i am building an 85lt version of it for my son.
i also use my own designed freestyle board. So i use freestyle boards for everyday sailing. I'm not a freestyler. I just like what they offer for fun everyday sailing.
So with that said, the only issue with the flare is it can get skatey through short sharp chop. i think it's partly because there is minimal v in the front half of the board and it is only a problem in short sharp chop. all other conditions the board is excellent. A couple of millimeters of v fixes the problem . the 85lt version i'm building for my son i added some extra v up front. I think this is why some people don't get along with some freestyle boards. Some freestyle boards probably should have more V up front. I've also sailed a couple of older model tabou and JP freestyle boards and felt they didn't track well. highly tucked rails and no v is not great for tracking. no idea about the newer shapes but to be honest i think most board manufacturers newer shapes don't have those traits as most manufacturers are advertising v in the front part of the board.
For something more contemporary, a friend i sail with regularly has the patrick freestyle. Maybe 2019?. he uses it for blasting, freestyle, surf etc. it's an amazing board. i have not sailed it but it stood out on the water as an exceptional board. So much so that i borrowed it to measure. i'd suspect that's the board you should look at. it effectively is a slalom rocker and has a small amount of v up front so it handles short sharp chop. what a board. the bottom shape is so simple. My son is outgrowing his jp pro kids 85 so im looking at the fanatic or patrick as an option for him.
i haven't tried the fanatic skates but really like the look of the shape of the newer models.
personally i wouldn't want to go less than 220 for freeride tho.
Add a little double concaves to that front V and it will be more smoother . It won't affect how the board goes , just more gentle when smacking into front of board chop. I know this because I can compare . I've made 2 monsterous lightwind boards exactly the same . One had more concaves at front and is a much smoother ride in the rough .
thank you!
i could get a tabou twister for a reeeeally good deal, so i consider going shorter.. the 220+ ones are fanatic and jp and you have to pay premium for those..
does anyone own a 209cm board and can compare to the a bit longer ones?
Select to expand quoteImax1 said..
Add a little double concaves to that front V and it will be more smoother . It won't affect how the board goes , just more gentle when smacking into front of board chop. I know this because I can compare . I've made 2 monsterous lightwind boards exactly the same . One had more concaves at front and is a much smoother ride in the rough .
agree. my fav bottom shapes all seem to be variations around Single Into double into v.
Select to expand quoteseabreezer said..leto said..
Awesome comment. Used to have JP Freestyle 2005 in 109L which got to plane quick, had limited top speed and didn't like choppy conditions but time passed and these are no longer here. Let's stick to the latest we can buy in good shape/new ... I also never had a board with 2 back straps so that option is good but not critical.
Another small example... I love super short boards but a bit scared that since some boards say Psycho 3 approach some sort of board length limit (209cm), they become more on/off boards not liking lulls thus maybe have to be powered up all the time. B ut that's just my thought. I never sailed one... so wonder if say Psycho 2 could plain in 16knots with 5.7 l maybe Psycho 3 of same volume can only plain in 17knots...
Think there was German test feedback of say the super short Tabou twister 209cm , that it need a fraction more power to lift out
www-surf--magazin-de.translate.goog/boards/freestyle/test-2022-freestyleboard-tabou-twister/?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc
So I think yr right looking for the Psycho 2 etc .... Ive got a psycho 1 .... The huge tail depth pumps up really quick - Im a freestyle orientated user - shakes/spocks/grubbies etc .... But I use the psycho a lot just blasting around the harbour here with my 13yo son - and never feel I want anything else faster . The big block tail on the Severne gives a lot to 'push' off ... and more grunt than say a 2014 skate (that generation had pretty thin tails depth wise vs today) ..... I also changed from stock fin to something more rake to give bit extra grip carving upwind into moves ...
think also , if you do sail something that is a bit more 'freestyle ' (less tracking) - then running a slightly bigger gruntier fin SHOULD ? give you that more straight line prioritise planning appeal in lighter airs , even if the board has a really flat rail to rail shape ...... have a look for bottom shapes that have a bit more v.
Have a look up what Mike Burns says re freestyle boards - he's always reviewing their blasting capabilities for other guys on the water at his spot ....
Seabreezer,
with the super short board lengths around now do think the more upright stance (mast track moved back) has made them easier to sail.
comparison i did as part of a build i'm working on. bear in mind these dimensions are from a photo that's imported into cad and scaled to suit what's written on the manufacturers website and as such may not be completely accurate.
anyways, an interesting comparison.
Select to expand quoteleto said..
Not a simple question here.
Looking at say 2020-2022-2023 Freestyle boards from say Fanatic, Severne, JP, Starboard. Which one is better for freeride/straight line/bump-jump/speed from your experience? I feel that the more specialized freestyle boards become, they start to feel better for some double tricks which i don't do but may also become stiffer and less comfortable in straight line/speed or carving and occasional wave..
Change fin, and sail, and you would be surprised by how much a FSW changes with it. My RRD FSW 90 with a Tectonics Falcon 30 and a Pont-7 AC 6.0 can almost keep up with a slalom board. And still jibes on a dime. Put in an Ultra-fin X-wave 24 and a 4.7 Spy and it is a playful board in the rolls.
Surprised this came back
Fellas we all tried those responses but seems he wants an under 2y/o, 101% dedicated freestyle board for all the full on freestyle tricks.... and out of those pure freestyle boards "which is best for freeride and B&J?"
A very difficult question.
Select to expand quoteleto said..
Not a simple question here.
Looking at say 2020-2022-2023 Freestyle boards from say Fanatic, Severne, JP, Starboard. Which one is better for freeride/straight line/bump-jump/speed from your experience? I feel that the more specialized freestyle boards become, they start to feel better for some double tricks which i don't do but may also become stiffer and less comfortable in straight line/speed or carving and occasional wave..
let's cross the "occasional wave" off as no freestyle-tailed board will take you there...
but for the rest of your wants, likely your best bet is the 2020 Starboard Ignite - with the outside footstrap options (which went away, as i recall for 2021 or 22). but there are some caveatsSelect to expand quoteduzzi said..
Change fin, and sail
this you definitely need to do.
i rode that board a lot during the lockdowns and thereafter (never in freestyle mode, as i don't turn tricks) and found it incredibly versatile in really bumpy b&j conditions, moderate ones, and freeride/almost freerace. the reduced length takes a bit of getting used to when using freeride/freerace sails (like NCX), and you can't carve too tightly on a swell lest the hard rails catch and dump you overboard.
but when pairing the sail and fin correctly with each other and the conditions, it was one of the most fun boards i've ridden ever. used 4.7 and 5.3 b&j sails (with "freewave" fins) and 5.5 and 6.0 NCX (with "slalom" type fins). front straps were always outside and back, rear was in centre for b&j and double outside for freeride.
so if you don't mind switching strap positions and having the fins and sails to match your intended use, you could almost have that one ideal board.
