Hi
I'm looking for some experiences comparing these two boards for light wind wavesailing, weight 70 kg. Mainly interested in float&ride balance and onshore planning. I've heard the goya one 2018 is so low volume and narrow in the tail that could be similar to goya thruster 2018? In theory surfing should be better with goya Thruster and planning better with goya one, but I think 2018 goya one was the best surfing freewave in history.
Thanks.
Although I haven't tested it, for our crappy conditions guys at Vela prefer the JP fsw vs the goya one. Also there are better colors for durability than black boards!
Since not much answers are coming in i try to help.
Being 93 kg i fight in another weight class than you, but i've owned the 2018 Thruster 99 and an 2018 One 116.
I always measure my boards on the bottom.
The Thruster 99 has all the volume but feels small because it's fairly narrow and has thin rails so all the volume is around the center line.
It has a fairly flat and fast rocker, about the same as the 2018 One 116 or the 2020 One 105, much flatter than the 2020 Custom3 98, which is my current small board.
Assuming the 2018 One 96 has about the same shape characteristics as the 116, it should have a little fuller rails than the Thruster 99 and also is 15mm wider.
So it's up to you. The boards are close together, the thinner rails provide a little better turning on drawn out turns on the Thruster 99, the One 96 should have a little better slogging stability a notch earlier planing.
Thanks both. As far as I saw, the goya one is very different from one year to another. That's why I'm interested only in the 2018 or 2019 versions, which I think were the closest to a fast wave board with smaller tail, and having usbox. The point is to find the best balance between planning on shore and float&ride side shore. Alexf, I see that if you sum the scores on both disciplines there is no real winner, what one gains over the other in planning, it loses in surfing
I was going to answer but had no idea about the One of that age except to say that it is obviously freewave.
The Goya Thruster 2018 (the only year they made before calling them Custom3?) is rated very very highly as an allround waveboard by everyone who sails it - but my experience is only of the 92L. Still, its a ripper
So U need to decide your priorities but if it's float n ride, the thruster would be great
The freewaves are for planing on the crap days IMHO
Just a quick note on volume for surf sailing. Yes it helps buoyancy in pure term of balance for tacks or simply to stay on the board. Takes off more easily and can handle bigger sails.
Now regarding evolving around waves it can become cumbersome especially if volume is big related to rider weight. It'll be more difficult to control in white water due to the extra push. Plus, if the waves have good punch then it can also be more technical to handle both in terms of turns as well as aerials, 360s and such.
Personally I like to stick to ~85L boards, which let me be as radical as I want. Yes I can handle up to 105 and get good rides but I just don't feel as confident to hit critical sections of the wave unless it's small and there's no aerial involved.
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Personally I like to stick to ~85L boards, which let me be as radical as I want. Yes I can handle up to 105 and get good rides but I just don't feel as confident to hit critical sections of the wave unless it's small and there's no aerial involved.
I'm guessing 105 L relative to your weight is the same as 135 L relative to me - yes I've done aerials on it but I'd rather be on a 115 L if there's enough wind.
What size sail you use? In what waves?
This is on 86 / 4.7 and 81 / 4.5.
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Since not much answers are coming in i try to help.
Being 93 kg i fight in another weight class than you, but i've owned the 2018 Thruster 99 and an 2018 One 116.
I always measure my boards on the bottom.
The Thruster 99 has all the volume but feels small because it's fairly narrow and has thin rails so all the volume is around the center line.
It has a fairly flat and fast rocker, about the same as the 2018 One 116 or the 2020 One 105, much flatter than the 2020 Custom3 98, which is my current small board.
Assuming the 2018 One 96 has about the same shape characteristics as the 116, it should have a little fuller rails than the Thruster 99 and also is 15mm wider.
So it's up to you. The boards are close together, the thinner rails provide a little better turning on drawn out turns on the Thruster 99, the One 96 should have a little better slogging stability a notch earlier planing.
Hi Alexf
Comming back to your practical info, I think you have tested all the goya wave boards I like. Could you compare the 2020 Custom 3 98 with the Thruster 99 and 2018 Goya one 96 in terms of planning, slogging stability and surfing? Do you mean 2020 Custom 3 98 has more rocker than 2018 thruster so it gets planning later? and slogging easier?
I have a 2018 86 thruster and it seems to be a 78-80 litre board in terms of slogging and choppy comfort. Surfing is very good but you have to buy a size bigger than usual. The 2018 goya one has the same small feeling as the 2018 thruster? They seem to share general similarities in the outline.
Thanks.
hey Mark - what sort of feedback / comments on the 2018 Goya thruster ? .... also heard good test reports etc but you never know ?!
Select to expand quoteManuel7 said..
Just a quick note on volume for surf sailing. Yes it helps buoyancy in pure term of balance for tacks or simply to stay on the board. Takes off more easily and can handle bigger sails.
Now regarding evolving around waves it can become cumbersome especially if volume is big related to rider weight. It'll be more difficult to control in white water due to the extra push. Plus, if the waves have good punch then it can also be more technical to handle both in terms of turns as well as aerials, 360s and such.
Personally I like to stick to ~85L boards, which let me be as radical as I want. Yes I can handle up to 105 and get good rides but I just don't feel as confident to hit critical sections of the wave unless it's small and there's no aerial involved.
Im a big believer in volume ... had a session last week , wind went super side off and just about wallowed in on 80 qtr (I'm 76kgs) - everyone came in , I went straight back out on a 98Ltr chunky board ... and was hitting some good size lips on a bowl section - alot half-mast , some logo ... and the board was fine .... In fact - I felt myself drop down the odd whitewater mine-shaft and the volume popped it right back up - and had a few almost nose pearls where the thick nose rails popped it back up - and a smaller board I would have eaten #$%^ ... If you want to get away with serious wave moves - you need relatively narrower tail helps - there's some volume boards out there with DTL tails , and really really good pads (thick / good cushioning . And for some moves - like wave360 in weaker waves - the volume and stance width can help alot ... Ive also got a 104 , and a 110 Nuevo I regularly take out (ie huge vs my 76kgs) - they are super loose - get me loads of waves when kites can't even get upwind - and float me out on dubious days through very light gusty inside stuff - out to waves - bit more breeze and fun .... You have to work on tuning them in - so that they're almost as loose as smaller boards (I can do all the rotational moves on the bigger boards as good as smaller) ... I can push all my boards fully vert regardless of the size - and alot of times that extra drive you can get out of the volume on a lighter day helps push vert ... BUT - it is a specific skill - and you have to get used to using thigh power to push things around sometimes ... once you get used to that it doesn't even register as a problem ,,,
Having said that - max I go on a reef break with side off - with good period is 57.5/85 ltr ..... quite often Im on a 78 qtr (55.5) and floating around ... so for hardcore conditions - smaller is better - for everything else side shore / slower period waves say 13sec or less and worse wind directions - you can go alot bigger
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Hi Alexf
Comming back to your practical info, I think you have tested all the goya wave boards I like. Could you compare the 2020 Custom 3 98 with the Thruster 99 and 2018 Goya one 96 in terms of planning, slogging stability and surfing? Do you mean 2020 Custom 3 98 has more rocker than 2018 thruster so it gets planning later? and slogging easier?
I have a 2018 86 thruster and it seems to be a 78-80 litre board in terms of slogging and choppy comfort. Surfing is very good but you have to buy a size bigger than usual. The 2018 goya one has the same small feeling as the 2018 thruster? They seem to share general similarities in the outline.
Thanks.
I can't compare the One 96 since i never owned this size, only the bigger 105 to 116 sizes of the One over the years (and a 2016 Quad 116).
But for the 2018 Thruster 99 compared to the 2020 - 2023 C3 98/99 the later definitely feels more surfy due to the more tail rocker.
The Goya guys called it "rocker shift" for the 2020 generation, reducing nose rocker und increasing tail rocker.
The 2020 has fuller rails in the tail though, but also a little curvier outline, as a result it definitely turns more playful.
For planing i couldn't feel a difference, for slogging i found the C3 98 a notch easier because it's a little wider and has a more even volume distribution.
The Thruster 99 felt a little faster and slippery, i guess that's because of the flatter rocker and less V compared to the C3 98.
Great and detailed response there folks.
What about fin setup and sail size for the big boards?
I believe I also read that the black version was a bit more freewave than the later white ones so that makes sense too.
