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Accidentally coming out of the rear straps when heading out

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Created by aeroegnr > 9 months ago, 4 Jan 2022
aeroegnr
1649 posts
4 Jan 2022 8:37PM
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I've had this happen a few times now, both on my Dyno 115 and my JP 102, so I'm doing something wrong in setup and technique.

I feel pretty secure in the straps going over light chop, but sometimes when heading out through waves while on plane when the fin leaves the water, my rear foot comes out immediately and I crash on the landing. Last one was painful because I did the splits. Could have been a lot worse.

I've had my foot straps set up to be large enough to be able to rotate my leg, while in the strap, and touch my knee to the board. I think Ben Proffit was the one that showed that tip. But, maybe it's still too loose? Maybe I am not gripping the board too well with my rear foot by curling it? Or maybe there's something else I need to be doing? I'd really like to not keep coming out of the rear strap as it spooked me on one of the rare windy days here.

This video isn't the best view because I had the camera on the side more able to catch the wave rides than the ride out, but you can also see how the nose gets pushed up and leeward after coming off the wave at the end because I was then only in the front strap, then crashed.

LeeD
3939 posts
4 Jan 2022 9:10PM
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Could be from leaning weight forward, from foiling.
Maybe move back strap forward.
Do you foil with just front straps?
And maybe narrow the width on the straps until it retains your feet.

aeroegnr
1649 posts
4 Jan 2022 9:49PM
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For foiling I try to use the rears unless going downwind, and on the race foil they are setup to just get the little toe in like a slalom setup.

I think the dyno has them as narrow as I could make them. I'll have to double check on the JP, but I've come out of both.
I'm pretty forward on the wave boards when shlogging due to the volume but definitely get more out and back with a straight front when I need the speed. If anything it looks like my weight may be too far back?

LeeD
3939 posts
4 Jan 2022 10:26PM
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Weight too far forward.
You cannot get out of strap with your weight on that foot. A weight shift off that foot is needed.
You SKIP a hole to make strap width changes. Yes, it changes the angle slightly and cannot be fine tuned.
We have lots of experience doing this because our cold waters favor wearing thick booties.
I'm a small guy and wear 11's.
Imagine a big guy with bigger feet, add 5 mm booties, on a wave board.

Mark _australia
WA, 22736 posts
4 Jan 2022 10:41PM
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Severne enables a wide strap setting as the inserts are at 160mm not 150mm like everyone else. You need to rotate the plastic bit inside the strap to get them tighter.
Dunno about being able to rotate the foot like that. Its risking being able to stick it all the way thru up to your calf in a bad crash, and if that happens in waves you're dead.

strap snug side to side, but the toes poking out, jam it in hard. Then if its still coming out its technique.

aeroegnr
1649 posts
5 Jan 2022 1:02AM
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I may try making them with the toes just poking through like my other straps. I don't think I've ever come out accidentally when catching air when they are set up that way.

Grantmac
2176 posts
5 Jan 2022 2:42AM
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I wear booties full time. I want to feel the sides of the strap slightly and see my entire toes. I doubt my knee can contact the board.

I disagree with having your weight too far forward, the rear foot is mostly just steering a modern waveboard.

LeeD
3939 posts
5 Jan 2022 4:58AM
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He is planing out, foot comes out over small bump.
If he has weight on back foot, his backfoot stays IN.

Mark _australia
WA, 22736 posts
5 Jan 2022 9:13AM
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^^^ but spins out all the time that he is not in the air.
I do agree with you its technique or setup (ie: the answer is not big straps ) - but you can't tell someone to simply weight the back foot
More finicky than that and hard to say without seeing

stonny
NSW, 99 posts
5 Jan 2022 12:30PM
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Keep your windward rail up when hitting white water on the way out, and anticipate a sudden surge in wind strength and direction caused by the wave pushing air.

Manuel7
1275 posts
5 Jan 2022 9:33AM
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Hopefully, I'm not so far off :D !!

Need to lean towards the wave more, put all of your weight in the harness and absorb the wave shock.

What you're doing in the video is basically is uncontrolled jump. Your sheeting out and causing the board to head downwind.

So either you need to be more aggressive, push and pop or relax, lean upwind near horizontal and absorb.

Remember that when off the wave and in the air there's no more fin traction so all side load needs to disappear.

PhilUK
1011 posts
5 Jan 2022 5:57PM
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Barely planing, most of the weight will be on the front foot and all the weight will be the harness to try and generate power so the tail doesnt sink. So when the board comes out of the water the nose points downwind and the rear foot slips out. Cure, more speed, or as you hit the wave bend both legs so the board absorbs the wave and doesnt leave the water.

PhilUK
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5 Jan 2022 6:01PM
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Manuel7 said..
Your sheeting out and causing the board to head downwind.



I dont think he is sheeting out, if you keep the boom angle to the horizon in mind it stays the same. It looks like he is sheeting out when the nose of the board heads downwind, but I dont think he is.

aeroegnr
1649 posts
5 Jan 2022 8:34PM
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I'm sorry, I went through and looked at the video a few times and found out that during the crash shown in the video, I did something and just slowed down and crashed, foot still in the rear:


But, I did find the crash where I did the splits:



I'm not entirely sure what happened:



Here's another view of the original video, which is a crash but not where my rear foot came out. The sail does move quite a bit, but I'm not sure if that's due to the board moving or if I gave a bad input?

Manuel7
1275 posts
7 Jan 2022 9:06PM
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I find it difficult to understand what's going on here.

What feels best to me as far as rear foot goes is to set it at 45 degrees with the inside of my foot "glued" to the front part of the strap.

When crossing the white water you want to press hard on the back foot to clear the nose and drive the board forward with your front foot.

aeroegnr
1649 posts
7 Jan 2022 9:52PM
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Thank you, Manuel, that's a really good video!



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