Andrew Forrest is sniffing around. Can't be a good thing.
www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-17/gascoyne-green-hydrogen-twiggy-forest-gnaraloo/100366480
Bit of a worry but I guess there is a lot of space up there. Maybe near the salt loader would make sense rather than where the tourism is.
But converting sea water into fresh to split into hydrogen just sounds a bit of a waste of fresh water.
I had heard of
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_pyrolysis to convert natural gas into hydrogen and capture the carbon. Seemed like a good fit for wa with all the gas that noone might want in the future.
I don't know the energy cost of each. Would be interesting to compare.
Of course last I heard twiggy shutdown the lighthouse caravan park at exmouth so maybe he doesn't like tourists.
Maybe we could get him to build a speed bank while he's modifying the environment
Well a year ago the news was the govt not honouring its agreements with the lessee
Hmmm - trying to push out the pastoralist so as to get in with power / gas / build hotels? Doesn't matter what it is, Govt will be corruptly handing over sh!t to anyone as long as they can get some coin out of it.
PRL:ASX finishes a bit south of gnaraloo station.
FMG:ASX looks like back to the highway
Given it's digging stuff up , how do they control the sediment from impacting the reef ? And what's the sand for ?
Not saying I agree with land grab approach here but for anyone interested perhaps listen to his Boyer Lecture here
iview.abc.net.au/show/boyer-lecture-andrew-forrest
We have largely all the inputs required to start green steel production here in WA and this could will play an important role in decarbonising the world..
I wonder how they will fix the issue of storage. Generally hydrogen storage and transportation is considered to have low energy density. This means you have to transport it under high pressure to make it economical. Since it's highly flammable the associated dangerous can't be underestimated. You can't smell it and you can't see it... one of the biggest concern using it in vehicles. In addition any hydrogen that escapes without being burned is considered problematic in regards to eroding the ozone layer.
Also, there is no such thing as "Green Steel". Even if you make steel from green energy there is waste crated during the production both solid and liquid. That aside the biggest issue with steel production here in Australia is labour cost. We simply can't compete with Asia on that front.
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Given it's digging stuff up , how do they control the sediment from impacting the reef ? And what's the sand for ?
It is important to keep an open mind, noting the well articulated comments made above by Hooksey, indeed Dr Forrest has given a lecture on the green energy opportunities.
Progress is important as are jobs for the future and also green energy hubs which this one promises to be.
Leaving aside the Hydrogen energy projects, note the following re mineral sands.
All of this is well prior to any development taking place as right now it is exploration.
The mining of any mineral sands is some way away.
Assuming the mineral sands project gets developed, which will depend on exploration including drilling proving up feasible deposits of resources which can be mined commercially, there is a lot of work required.
Down the track the environmental issues will be very important and addressed in an Environmental Impact Statement as part of the projects approvals status before any mine development commences. I am sure the issues you are concerned about will be addressed so all uses of land can be done harmoniously and in a way which can co-exist and benefit with impacts as low as reasonably practicable.
The mineral sands industry involves the mining and processing of zircon and titanium dioxide products (ilmenite, rutile and upgraded titanium dioxide products of synthetic rutile, slag and upgraded slag). The two product categories have different properties, prices and distinct end use markets. Mineral sands deposits typically contain both titanium dioxide mineral and, usually, a minor proportion of zircon. The relative weighting of each mineral (known as assemblage in an ore body) varies by deposit.
ZIRCON
Zircon is an opaque, hard wearing, inert mineral. It is primarily used in the production of ceramic tiles. Other applications include use in refractories and foundry casting and a growing array of specialty applications as zirconia and zirconium chemicals, including in nuclear fuel rods, catalytic fuel converters and in water and air purification systems.
TITANIUM DIOXIDE
Titanium dioxide is mined as ilmenite or rutile (or other variants of titanium dioxide). Both are dark coloured minerals which, with processing, become white and opaque. It is primarily used as a whitening pigment in paints, plastics and paper. The raw minerals are also used in the manufacture of titanium metal and welding flux wire cord.
www.provinceresources.com/gascoyne-mineralsands
www.provinceresources.com/hyenergygreenhydrogen
Select to expand quoteRichardG said..
I am sure the issues you are concerned about will be addressed so all uses of land can be done harmoniously and in a way which can co-exist and benefit with impacts as low as reasonably practicable.
Yup, because that worked so well with other projects around the country. Fracking, uranium mining, Aboriginal sacred sites, lead dust all come to mind.
Select to expand quoteRichardG said..kato said..
Given it's digging stuff up , how do they control the sediment from impacting the reef ? And what's the sand for ?
It is important to keep an open mind, noting the well articulated comments made above by Hooksey, indeed Dr Forrest has given a lecture on the green energy opportunities.
Progress is important as are jobs for the future and also green energy hubs which this one promises to be.
Leaving aside the Hydrogen energy projects, note the following re mineral sands.
All of this is well prior to any development taking place as right now it is exploration.
The mining of any mineral sands is some way away.
Assuming the mineral sands project gets developed, which will depend on exploration including drilling proving up feasible deposits of resources which can be mined commercially, there is a lot of work required.
Down the track the environmental issues will be very important and addressed in an Environmental Impact Statement as part of the projects approvals status before any mine development commences. I am sure the issues you are concerned about will be addressed so all uses of land can be done harmoniously and in a way which can co-exist and benefit with impacts as low as reasonably practicable.
The mineral sands industry involves the mining and processing of zircon and titanium dioxide products (ilmenite, rutile and upgraded titanium dioxide products of synthetic rutile, slag and upgraded slag). The two product categories have different properties, prices and distinct end use markets. Mineral sands deposits typically contain both titanium dioxide mineral and, usually, a minor proportion of zircon. The relative weighting of each mineral (known as assemblage in an ore body) varies by deposit.
ZIRCON
Zircon is an opaque, hard wearing, inert mineral. It is primarily used in the production of ceramic tiles. Other applications include use in refractories and foundry casting and a growing array of specialty applications as zirconia and zirconium chemicals, including in nuclear fuel rods, catalytic fuel converters and in water and air purification systems.
TITANIUM DIOXIDE
Titanium dioxide is mined as ilmenite or rutile (or other variants of titanium dioxide). Both are dark coloured minerals which, with processing, become white and opaque. It is primarily used as a whitening pigment in paints, plastics and paper. The raw minerals are also used in the manufacture of titanium metal and welding flux wire cord.
www.provinceresources.com/gascoyne-mineralsands
www.provinceresources.com/hyenergygreenhydrogen
Thanks for that
Select to expand quotestehsegler said..RichardG said..I am sure the issues you are concerned about will be addressed so all uses of land can be done harmoniously and in a way which can co-exist and benefit with impacts as low as reasonably practicable.
Yup, because that worked so well with other projects around the country. Fracking, uranium mining, Aboriginal sacred sites, lead dust all come to mind.
Exploration for minerals is generally low impact, please keep an open mind as the examples quoted above are off base and extreme in view of what is going on here. As I said mineral exploration is a predominantly low impact activity that involves applied geoscience over large areas to focus in on the most prospective areas. Most areas where mineral exploration occurs will never see a mine developed, but the information gained by investigating large areas allows mineral explorers to better understand the broad geological history and build a comprehensive picture - like piecing a jigsaw together. This open approach should provide more transparent decision-making about land use prior to decisions about land development. This one would expect should protect existing land uses and values where, on balance, the public interest in preserving existing uses outweighs mineral development. This increases certainty for industry, and provides a good basis to assist industry in building their social licence in communities where mining activities are permitted. When mineral exploration and development activities are permitted, stringent state-wide rules in WA under existing laws protect environmental and traditional owner values, worker and public health and safety, residential amenity and public infrastructure, as well as non-use values.
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I wonder how they will fix the issue of storage. Generally hydrogen storage and transportation is considered to have low energy density. This means you have to transport it under high pressure to make it economical. Since it's highly flammable the associated dangerous can't be underestimated. You can't smell it and you can't see it... one of the biggest concern using it in vehicles. In addition any hydrogen that escapes without being burned is considered problematic in regards to eroding the ozone layer.
Also, there is no such thing as "Green Steel". Even if you make steel from green energy there is waste crated during the production both solid and liquid. That aside the biggest issue with steel production here in Australia is labour cost. We simply can't compete with Asia on that front.
you transport it in ammonia
Select to expand quotecurac said..stehsegler said..
I wonder how they will fix the issue of storage. Generally hydrogen storage and transportation is considered to have low energy density. This means you have to transport it under high pressure to make it economical. Since it's highly flammable the associated dangerous can't be underestimated. You can't smell it and you can't see it... one of the biggest concern using it in vehicles. In addition any hydrogen that escapes without being burned is considered problematic in regards to eroding the ozone layer.
Also, there is no such thing as "Green Steel". Even if you make steel from green energy there is waste crated during the production both solid and liquid. That aside the biggest issue with steel production here in Australia is labour cost. We simply can't compete with Asia on that front.
you transport it in ammonia
Yes , true but there is still major issues with using it in this form. Nitrogen gas as a byproduct isn't very friendly. Still a huge number of issues to get this to work. Battery tech is still our best choice ATM to change most industries.
