Hi
Somebody tried the Dart 120? and is able to compare it with the 140 or 180?thanks
I have tried it. To me it feels more surfy. The pitch stability is impressive and an improvement compared to the 140/180. It feels like it might even have more pump compared to the 140. Haven't pushed them flat out yet, so cannot say if it is truly faster.
It's amazing, get it! More lifty, agile and glide than the 140 but not as fast I'd say. Gear keeps getting better and better, great job Armstrong
Ok. Great. looking forward to have it. Did you have the feeling you had "size down" the shim. For example blue one with the 140 and no shim for the 120?
Is the Dart 120 primarily to pair up with the smaller HA foils or does it work well with the 980 and 1080 also?
Haven't tried with my 1080 yet but suppose would work well as it will loosen up the bigger wings - if you're after roll go 120, glide go 140
I've prone and DW paddled it. They have done such a good job on this tail.
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Tried it yday in 20kt , side, 6ft wind swell
rider 92kg with XPS 3.5m, ML85, HA780/865/60 and dart120. first 30' it was quite an uncomfortable ride. Couldn't close any tack. While riding back out I had this constant feeling of not being able to keep board trimmed and slowing down.
then I started to get it and these are my observations
1. it's not a set&forget experience like with the Speed180. While riding the pitch control needs to be very dialed in in order to take the juice out of this smaller stab and get to higher speed (in my opinion no more than 1kt extra vs speed 180).
2. Of course turnability is superb. Not saying you can be as radical as with a kite + surfboard but the loose and playful feeling is significant
3. You going to lose at least 1kt of stall speed vs Speed180 and at least 2kt vs Glide220.
ok now the positives:
4. glide is superb. Really is. Better than any tail I tried (flow 235, surf 205, glide 220, speed 180)
5. handling on breaching/ventilation is EXTRAORDINARY. if somebody asks me why the hell would you complicate your life with a smaller stab I'd say that this aspect is what makes this stab special. I breached both when getting out from the shore while passing on waves as well as when surfing on the waves steep sections. And I never fell. Not even once. I always managed to push the tail back under the water surface seamlessly.
After trying with the 780 I want also try this stab paired with the 1080 in lighter conditions next
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Tried it yday in 20kt , side, 6ft wind swell
rider 92kg with XPS 3.5m, ML85, HA780/865/60 and dart120. first 30' it was quite an uncomfortable ride. Couldn't close any tack. While riding back out I had this constant feeling of not being able to keep board trimmed and slowing down.
then I started to get it and these are my observations
1. it's not a set&forget experience like with the Speed180. While riding the pitch control needs to be very dialed in in order to take the juice out of this smaller stab and get to higher speed (in my opinion no more than 1kt extra vs speed 180).
2. Of course turnability is superb. Not saying you can be as radical as with a kite + surfboard but the loose and playful feeling is significant
3. You going to lose at least 1kt of stall speed vs Speed180 and at least 2kt vs Glide220.
ok now the positives:
4. glide is superb. Really is. Better than any tail I tried (flow 235, surf 205, glide 220, speed 180)
5. handling on breaching/ventilation is EXTRAORDINARY. if somebody asks me why the hell would you complicate your life with a smaller stab I'd say that this aspect is what makes this stab special. I breached both when getting out from the shore while passing on waves as well as when surfing on the waves steep sections. And I never fell. Not even once. I always managed to push the tail back under the water surface seamlessly.
After trying with the 780 I want also try this stab paired with the 1080 in lighter conditions next
So the smallest tail you've used is the 180 - had you ever used the 140? If not i can see why you had some adjustment to do. That's a big step down in size. Few more sessions you will totally dial it in.
