Select to expand quotebjshack said..Razzonater said..
Let's say I set 10 shark hooks with bait on them but only catch one shark.
it could be said that in 9/10 cases this far a baited shark hook is proven to be effective in repelling sharks. It has been tried across 10 instances with only one chance of shark attack therefore the stats would be....
90% of baited shark hooks repel shark attack...
these stats are pretty realistic if you are a shark fisherman or have been..
this doesn't make me tie a baited hook to my leg and paddle out however is the same argument that a little magnet wrist band or a Zappa does the same thing...
let me put it like this 100% of people with a letterbox for a hat have had success in not being attacked by a shark across all tests.
this is proven and scientific and has facts but no one in their right mind would swim around u caged between 5 hungry great whites with a letterbox strapped to their head even though there is science and a 100% success rate this far....
This is the same and I repeat the same science and "facts" that show shark shields "work"
and bs again with the same response no one- I repeat no one as yet or in the near future is game enough to swim around off Neptune island outside the cage with a shark shield as there only defence with 4-5 great whites agitated and hungry..
why hey not because they may as well have a letterbox strapped on their head with a baited shark hook tied to their leg....
both will incur the same result they will either get ripped to shreds or they won't.. The only difference being is that a letterbox doesn't send an electrical impulse so the Sharks can identify you and home in quicker.......
science works both ways
The point you continue to miss though is this, THEY ARE NOT 100% EFFECTIVE IN PREVENTING ATTACKS 100% OF THE TIME..
Firstly the chance of a shark swimming up to a surfer to bit them is slim, it is but lets move on, if a shark swims up to bite you and you have a electronic device fitted or being warn, scientific testing has proven to be effective in stopping that attack 90% of the times..
ONCE AGAIN, no safety device will offer 100% guaranteed safety. If a super model was presented to you with her pants down saying go for it have your way with me, you had a condom but she has Aids, will you ignore using that condom, or will take your chance with the safety product, even if it has the chance to break
Or will you lets say, stay on the beach
Once again going to the beach for hopefully some waves this time
Select to expand quoteThinkaBowtit said..jbshack said..
ONCE AGAIN, no safety device will offer 100% guaranteed safety. If a super model was presented to you with her pants down saying go for it have your way with me, you had a condom but she has Aids, will you ignore using that condom, or will take your chance with the safety product, even if it has the chance to break Or will you lets say, stay on the beach
Once again going to the beach for hopefully some waves this time
....yeah, nah. Let's keep the analogies workable.
Nah no need.
Just buy these $25 and your set.. Yah no more complaining
www.sharkeyes.com.au
Select to expand quotejbshack said..
ONCE AGAIN, no safety device will offer 100% guaranteed safety.
There is one... Proven to work, cheap (but not as cheap as that sharkeyes nonsense, seriously how much are those brand ambassadors getting paid?), doesn't need any fluffy claims and there is plenty of photographic proof that it works
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said..jbshack said..
ONCE AGAIN, no safety device will offer 100% guaranteed safety.
There is one... Proven to work, cheap (but not as cheap as that sharkeyes nonsense, seriously how much are those brand ambassadors getting paid?), doesn't need any fluffy claims and there is plenty of photographic proof that it works
And look where he is now snowflake.
Yep. Look where he got WA. Nowhere but in debt.
We've moved on from hunter gathering methods.
Select to expand quoteMDSXR6T said..jbshack said..
ONCE AGAIN, no safety device will offer 100% guaranteed safety.
There is one... Proven to work, cheap (but not as cheap as that sharkeyes nonsense, seriously how much are those brand ambassadors getting paid?), doesn't need any fluffy claims and there is plenty of photographic proof that it works
I don't understand, so your claiming if drum lines are used their is a 100% guarantee you will not be attacked by a shark
Really you know they cull sharks in Reunion right
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Really you know they cull sharks in Reunion right
Could you link us to the legit up-to-date info about that jbs?
My mate Hammo recieved a bravery medal and award from the WA Premier yesterday .Hammo was surfing at falconer WA with several others when Ben Giring was attacked by a great white Hammo and others brought him back to the beach through the break and helped administer first aid, retreaved half the surfboard leg rope and attched leg that had been taken off just below the hip ,
Enough said / just like rabbits foxes and any other animal that is effecting human interaction in this case death whilst in the ocean diving surfing swimming eviedenced with the current frequency rate of attacks sightings from commercial / proffecional and public boaties there is an over population that requires a simple reduction in large shark numbers to reduce death and sighting frequencies along the WA coast / if you can not except it and what ever your argument is its not logical.
www.smh.com.au/national/western-australia/shark-sighting-halts-swim-leg-of-busselton-703-ironman-20170507-gvzr0f.html
If you've got 500 spectators all spread out on the Busselton Jetty there's a good chance one of them will spot a shark. Interesting reaction. I collided with a shark about 300 metres off Bulli, maybe not 2.5 metres but close to 2m. Thought I'd better report it to the Lifesaver, there were about 20 or 30 swimming between the flags. "Thanks" he said "Let me know if it comes any closer." I went back to sailing. He did wander down again when I next came ashore to ask if I could still see it out there.
Select to expand quoteking of the point said..
My mate Hammo recieved a bravery medal and award from the WA Premier yesterday .Hammo was surfing at falconer WA with several others when Ben Giring was attacked by a great white Hammo and others brought him back to the beach through the break and helped administer first aid, retreaved half the surfboard leg rope and attched leg that had been taken off just below the hip ,
Enough said / just like rabbits foxes and any other animal that is effecting human interaction in this case death whilst in the ocean diving surfing swimming eviedenced with the current frequency rate of attacks sightings from commercial / proffecional and public boaties there is an over population that requires a simple reduction in large shark numbers to reduce death and sighting frequencies along the WA coast / if you can not except it and what ever your argument is its not logical.
Well done Hammo. Very brave.
Rabbits an foxes are introduced pests.
Great Whites are native protected species.
The ocean is their habitat.
We are land creatures recreating in the shark's habitat.
Enough said.
If anyone bothered to watch 60 mins tonite about the shark victim who survived a attack by a G.W.S in far north QLD. Nobody said it better than him.They were here before us when somebody enters the water we all should know the danger of sharks.he also said culling isn't the answer.wise words from a brave survivor.
Select to expand quoteAdriano said..king of the point said..
My mate Hammo recieved a bravery medal and award from the WA Premier yesterday .Hammo was surfing at falconer WA with several others when Ben Giring was attacked by a great white Hammo and others brought him back to the beach through the break and helped administer first aid, retreaved half the surfboard leg rope and attched leg that had been taken off just below the hip ,
Enough said / just like rabbits foxes and any other animal that is effecting human interaction in this case death whilst in the ocean diving surfing swimming eviedenced with the current frequency rate of attacks sightings from commercial / proffecional and public boaties there is an over population that requires a simple reduction in large shark numbers to reduce death and sighting frequencies along the WA coast / if you can not except it and what ever your argument is its not logical.
Well done Hammo. Very brave.
Rabbits an foxes are introduced pests.
Great Whites are native protected species.
The ocean is their habitat.
We are land creatures recreating in the shark's habitat.
Enough said.
Adriano sometimes your trolling goes far too far.
I am calling you out for what you are
Homobeastronecrophiliac
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If anyone bothered to watch 60 mins tonite about the shark victim who survived a attack by a G.W.S in far north QLD. Nobody said it better than him.They were here before us when somebody enters the water we all should know the danger of sharks.he also said culling isn't the answer.wise words from a brave survivor.
He was attacked by a bull shark, not a GWS. Spear fishing. Yep. It was 3.5 metres.
Here, meet a 5 metre GW and his little 3 metre pal...
www.facebook.com/GreatWhiteSharkTours/videos/1378814532176216/
Select to expand quoteThinkaBowtit said..gavnwend said..
If anyone bothered to watch 60 mins tonite about the shark victim who survived a attack by a G.W.S in far north QLD. Nobody said it better than him.They were here before us when somebody enters the water we all should know the danger of sharks.he also said culling isn't the answer.wise words from a brave survivor.
He was attacked by a bull shark, not a GWS. Spear fishing. Yep. It was 3.5 metres.
Here, meet a 5 metre GW and his little 3 metre pal...
www.facebook.com/GreatWhiteSharkTours/videos/1378814532176216/
Ok a bull shark just as bad if worse they rip you to threads .
Select to expand quotegavnwend said..
If anyone bothered to watch 60 mins tonite about the shark victim who survived a attack by a G.W.S in far north QLD. Nobody said it better than him.They were here before us when somebody enters the water we all should know the danger of sharks.he also said culling isn't the answer.wise words from a brave survivor.
Not a GWS. A bull shark. Spearfishing in dirty water. Dangerous.
No GWS in NQ
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..Adriano said..king of the point said..
My mate Hammo recieved a bravery medal and award from the WA Premier yesterday .Hammo was surfing at falconer WA with several others when Ben Giring was attacked by a great white Hammo and others brought him back to the beach through the break and helped administer first aid, retreaved half the surfboard leg rope and attched leg that had been taken off just below the hip ,
Enough said / just like rabbits foxes and any other animal that is effecting human interaction in this case death whilst in the ocean diving surfing swimming eviedenced with the current frequency rate of attacks sightings from commercial / proffecional and public boaties there is an over population that requires a simple reduction in large shark numbers to reduce death and sighting frequencies along the WA coast / if you can not except it and what ever your argument is its not logical.
Well done Hammo. Very brave.
Rabbits an foxes are introduced pests.
Great Whites are native protected species.
The ocean is their habitat.
We are land creatures recreating in the shark's habitat.
Enough said.
Adriano sometimes your trolling goes far too far.
I am calling you out for what you are
Homobeastronecrophiliac
Actually no, he is spot on.
Select to expand quoteRazzonater said..Adriano sometimes your trolling goes far too far.Adriano said..king of the point said..
My mate Hammo recieved a bravery medal and award from the WA Premier yesterday .Hammo was surfing at falconer WA with several others when Ben Giring was attacked by a great white Hammo and others brought him back to the beach through the break and helped administer first aid, retreaved half the surfboard leg rope and attched leg that had been taken off just below the hip ,
Enough said / just like rabbits foxes and any other animal that is effecting human interaction in this case death whilst in the ocean diving surfing swimming eviedenced with the current frequency rate of attacks sightings from commercial / proffecional and public boaties there is an over population that requires a simple reduction in large shark numbers to reduce death and sighting frequencies along the WA coast / if you can not except it and what ever your argument is its not logical.
Well done Hammo. Very brave.
Rabbits an foxes are introduced pests.
Great Whites are native protected species.
The ocean is their habitat.
We are land creatures recreating in the shark's habitat.
Enough said.
I am calling you out for what you are
Homobeastronecrophiliac
Opinion is not trolling. Fair shake.
You just don't like my opinion.
That's your issue. Call me whatever you like mate.
Besides, every line after the first in my previous post is 100% fact, not opinion.
It's how you read those facts that may cause you to mistakenly think I'm trolling.
Select to expand quotegavnwend said..ThinkaBowtit said..gavnwend said..
If anyone bothered to watch 60 mins tonite about the shark victim who survived a attack by a G.W.S in far north QLD. Nobody said it better than him.They were here before us when somebody enters the water we all should know the danger of sharks.he also said culling isn't the answer.wise words from a brave survivor.
He was attacked by a bull shark, not a GWS. Spear fishing. Yep. It was 3.5 metres.
Here, meet a 5 metre GW and his little 3 metre pal...
www.facebook.com/GreatWhiteSharkTours/videos/1378814532176216/
Ok a bull shark just as bad if worse they rip you to threads .
Actually there is a big difference between a bull shark and a great white. The maximum a bull shark reaches is 3.5 m. That's about the size great whites are when their jaws mature into mammal eating mode. They then go on to grow to twice that size. And that big one in the video I linked is still two metres shy of fully grown. Have another look at it alongside the 3 metre one. Chalk and cheese.
So no, bull sharks are not "just as bad or worse". You don't get to be a brave survivor selling your wise words to 60 minutes when a fully grown great white takes a chunk of you.
Select to expand quoteking of the point said..
My mate Hammo recieved a bravery medal and award from the WA Premier yesterday .Hammo was surfing at falconer WA with several others when Ben Giring was attacked by a great white Hammo and others brought him back to the beach through the break and helped administer first aid, retreaved half the surfboard leg rope and attched leg that had been taken off just below the hip ,
Enough said / just like rabbits foxes and any other animal that is effecting human interaction in this case death whilst in the ocean diving surfing swimming eviedenced with the current frequency rate of attacks sightings from commercial / proffecional and public boaties there is an over population that requires a simple reduction in large shark numbers to reduce death and sighting frequencies along the WA coast / if you can not except it and what ever your argument is its not logical.
Very Brave. Sad reality was he was brain dead before they got him to the beach.
My folks live next to Bens widow and daughter that he never met. They are living in a half finished house trying to get by day to day nearly a year on. Tragedy is the only word to describe it.
Its not just about the ones that die. Or even about the ones that live but with horrific debilitating injuries.
The shark huggers lack of empathy for these victims with their throwaway lines for strangers is what angers me the most in all this. Oh how the song would change if it was one of their loved ones.
heres a place called Shark Park
the only thing that clears surfers when its like this is a 5m white breaching out the back, as it regularly does. Id like to pop a cap in its head.
^^ Safely back where we belong....on land. 
I have more respect for the shark than I do for the person who wants to kill it, just for existing in it's habitat.
Select to expand quoteAdriano said..
^^ Safely back where we belong....on land.
You might be better suited to a fast car forum someplace...
Select to expand quoteAdriano said..
^^ Safely back where we belong....on land.
I have more respect for the shark than I do for the person who wants to kill it, just for existing in it's habitat.
you may not have so much respect for it when it violently rips a relative or yourself into multiple parts.
Select to expand quoteAdriano said..Bara said..Adriano said..jbshack said..Not sure i get your point..Don't like the risk, stay out of the water.Bara said..jbshack said..Bara said..jbshack said..ThinkaBowtit said..
^^ The low number of attacks (until recently) indicate nets and drum lines have worked well for NSW and Queensland for a long time. It is now that shark numbers are increasing that the limited culling by those methods is starting to reveal inadequacies. For the record, I'm not going to stop arguing culling, because some people just don't get it, and never will.
Catch rates in nets and drum lines have never been lower, if your idea of extra numbers, then we would also be seeing increased catches, but thats not the case, so that simply shows how incorrect your excuse is..
Id just stay out of the water if their is so many, their's a new pool coming for people who don't want to except the risk..
SO JB culling doesnt work in your opinion. Do you accept something has to be done by WA government to protect its citizens in the water?
If so what is it?
Just to be clear, its not my opinion that culling doesn't work. Its all the marine scientists. The brains trust that look into these things, the countries who have tried culling sharks for better protection that are all saying it doesn't work. Theres your first problem, if you don't want to take professional advice on the matter, nothing i share could be of interest.
I personally support making ourselves safer in that wild environment. SO many different options like
Eco nets Safe swimming enclosures
Electronic devices, like Rpela or shark shield,
Maybe more research into strips and colours, (but i won't hold my breath on that one)
Better beach warnings and spotters. Even helicopters to have better more clear directions available. Like Red light get the f--k out.
I think tagging has its place, but more transparency needs to be the general public.
Beach first aid kits and first aid training for surfers.
Even simple issues like beach locations and maybe the chopper could carry blood supply.
If those issues above had been implicated then
Doreen would have been wearing a shark shield and science says she would have had a 90% chance of deterring the attack.
Ben, if the ambulance hadn't got lost, or the helicopter had blood or even if the beach had warning signs up saying sharks had been sighted earlier, then things would be different.
If the young girl in Esperance had of had a Rpela fitted to her board, well, or even if beach signs had been erected stating sharks had been sighted for two days before hand. Maybe a different result.
Things can change, water safety can be improved, will we make it 100% safe to surf, no, i doubt that will ever happen, but if we want to just concentrate on vengeance and not science, then i would not expect too much to change.
Anyway I'm of for a surf, id avoid the water anyone who thinks sharks need culling..Its clearly just not safe..
Also in the cheap seats where you are surfing JB.
Not sure i get your point..Don't like the risk, stay out of the water.
Exactly. Surfing is not compulsory.
Killing protected species just to make recreation in a habitat not even remotely human is selfish.
Ahh the troll is back doing his thing. Sad existence you have there
Since when is expressing an opinion trolling?
Stop acting like you have the moral authority. You have no right.
The only thing going on is you don't like my opinion.
Try and deal with it please.
Having been in the water for over 45 years now both on the east coast and the west coast i have seen my share of sharks with a few close calls, my kids surf my grand kids will surf , the shark population is increasing due to other species like whales recovering .great but we all have the right to be safer in the water , so if it means taking out a few of the threatening killers ,so be it, we lock up our killers and pedophiles whom threaten us , and most would agree that the death penalty for some , no different
If your not a surfer or sup or paddle boarder .what the F are you doing on this forum , yes you have aright to your opinion
just express what affects you and stay out of areas that dont
Select to expand quotebearbusa said..Adriano said..Bara said..Adriano said..jbshack said..Not sure i get your point..Don't like the risk, stay out of the water.Bara said..jbshack said..Bara said..jbshack said..ThinkaBowtit said..
^^ The low number of attacks (until recently) indicate nets and drum lines have worked well for NSW and Queensland for a long time. It is now that shark numbers are increasing that the limited culling by those methods is starting to reveal inadequacies. For the record, I'm not going to stop arguing culling, because some people just don't get it, and never will.
Catch rates in nets and drum lines have never been lower, if your idea of extra numbers, then we would also be seeing increased catches, but thats not the case, so that simply shows how incorrect your excuse is..
Id just stay out of the water if their is so many, their's a new pool coming for people who don't want to except the risk..
SO JB culling doesnt work in your opinion. Do you accept something has to be done by WA government to protect its citizens in the water?
If so what is it?
Just to be clear, its not my opinion that culling doesn't work. Its all the marine scientists. The brains trust that look into these things, the countries who have tried culling sharks for better protection that are all saying it doesn't work. Theres your first problem, if you don't want to take professional advice on the matter, nothing i share could be of interest.
I personally support making ourselves safer in that wild environment. SO many different options like
Eco nets Safe swimming enclosures
Electronic devices, like Rpela or shark shield,
Maybe more research into strips and colours, (but i won't hold my breath on that one)
Better beach warnings and spotters. Even helicopters to have better more clear directions available. Like Red light get the f--k out.
I think tagging has its place, but more transparency needs to be the general public.
Beach first aid kits and first aid training for surfers.
Even simple issues like beach locations and maybe the chopper could carry blood supply.
If those issues above had been implicated then
Doreen would have been wearing a shark shield and science says she would have had a 90% chance of deterring the attack.
Ben, if the ambulance hadn't got lost, or the helicopter had blood or even if the beach had warning signs up saying sharks had been sighted earlier, then things would be different.
If the young girl in Esperance had of had a Rpela fitted to her board, well, or even if beach signs had been erected stating sharks had been sighted for two days before hand. Maybe a different result.
Things can change, water safety can be improved, will we make it 100% safe to surf, no, i doubt that will ever happen, but if we want to just concentrate on vengeance and not science, then i would not expect too much to change.
Anyway I'm of for a surf, id avoid the water anyone who thinks sharks need culling..Its clearly just not safe..
Also in the cheap seats where you are surfing JB.
Not sure i get your point..Don't like the risk, stay out of the water.
Exactly. Surfing is not compulsory.
Killing protected species just to make recreation in a habitat not even remotely human is selfish.
Ahh the troll is back doing his thing. Sad existence you have there
Since when is expressing an opinion trolling?
Stop acting like you have the moral authority. You have no right.
The only thing going on is you don't like my opinion.
Try and deal with it please.
Having been in the water for over 45 years now both on the east coast and the west coast i have seen my share of sharks with a few close calls, my kids surf my grand kids will surf , the shark population is increasing due to other species like whales recovering .great but we all have the right to be safer in the water , so if it means taking out a few of the threatening killers ,so be it, we lock up our killers and pedophiles whom threaten us , and most would agree that the death penalty for some , no different
If your not a surfer or sup or paddle boarder .what the F are you doing on this forum , yes you have aright to your opinion
just express what affects you and stay out of areas that dont
Well said fully agree but you clearly dont know this Adriano/Bono troll. Hes got an "opinion" on everything under the sun with the help of google. While he sticks to politics I couldnt care less but when he jumps on a thread like this just to get reactions its going to far.
Please, settle down Bara.
It's my opinion. If you don't like it, just say so - but don't call me a troll.
I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't jump to applying names to you.
If you are upset, look at your own reaction.
This is a free country and I have every right to express my opinion.
Select to expand quoteAdriano said..
Please, settle down Bara.
It's my opinion. If you don't like it, just say so - but don't call me a troll.
I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't jump to applying names to you.
If you are upset, look at your own reaction.
This is a free country and I have every right to express my opinion.
This is the funniest thing Adriano AKA bonominator has ever said..............and he said it twice.........."opinion", he's never had one of those ever before.
Select to expand quotePoida said..Adriano said..
^^ Safely back where we belong....on land.
I have more respect for the shark than I do for the person who wants to kill it, just for existing in it's habitat.
you may not have so much respect for it when it violently rips a relative or yourself into multiple parts.
Sensational.
