Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..southace said..Chris249 said..
That depends on the individual, surely. I'm not in the market for a Dunc 37 but I find Emma to be much more attractive than the usual D37 and many of us prefer an aft cockpit boat with the flush foredeck to a centre cockpit one with a long cabin trunk and narrower sidedecks.
After rebuilding from keel to mast tip a dunc 37 and living and cruising for 7 years I would have to disagree that the non raised decks are more attractive and practical. The raised deck version was designed for cruising in mind and many circumnavigated. There are only a few dunc 37 around that took the 35 deck and cabin arangment and I think that was prior to the raised deck so most of them are pre 80s
WELL DONE
It was well done but after spending over 100k on the rebuild it only sold in the 40ks, she has been resold since for the same price in the 40ks and the new current owner has contacted me congratulating on the rebuild and what a fine yacht she is. 6 foot head room seem to be on the list for most new old yacht buyers not that it ever bothers me, I even lowered the cabin sole floor on the dunc to get the 6,2 ft headroom with the raised deck!
Select to expand quotesouthace said..Chris249 said..
That depends on the individual, surely. I'm not in the market for a Dunc 37 but I find Emma to be much more attractive than the usual D37 and many of us prefer an aft cockpit boat with the flush foredeck to a centre cockpit one with a long cabin trunk and narrower sidedecks.
After rebuilding from keel to mast tip a dunc 37 and living and cruising for 7 years I would have to disagree that the non raised decks are more attractive and practical. The raised deck version was designed for cruising in mind and many circumnavigated. There are only a few dunc 37 around that took the 35 deck and cabin arangment and I think that was prior to the raised deck so most of them are pre 80s
I didn't say the Emma type deck was more attractive - I said that I find it more attractive. That's a personal aesthetic judgement and if you prefer the look of the standard deck that's great - to my eye I prefer the other one.
Similarly, I tend to prefer a different style of deck layout as a practical matter for my type of sailing and style of sailing. I specifically said that it was a personal choice. That doesn't mean that any other deck is inferior, it's just what I like. As you said, the raised deck version was for cruising (although I thought it was the first version???) and I'm not a specialist cruiser so I don't want a specialist cruising boat. If you do, that's great, but it's just down to personal choice and desires.
It's the same as the fact that some people like a station wagon and some prefer a sportscar, some like white wine and some like beer, and some like a trendy inner-city flat and some like a house in the suburbs - different strokes for different folks. Your boat looks very nice but it wouldn't be my personal choice just as you wouldn't choose mine.
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/peterson-46-sloop/236695
How many crew to sail this?
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yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/peterson-46-sloop/236695
How many crew to sail this?
Reading the ad, they seem to think only one.
Until you get to docking that is, it would be interesting being solo with that amount of windage.
No bow thruster I assume?
I sailed on her sister Superstar a little bit when I was a kid. It's got one hell of a big rig but if all went well, a good sailor could obviously handle it singlehanded under sail. As Shaggy says, docking could be an issue.
Looks like lotsa boat in good nick for the bucks. Looking at the design, construction and date I wonder if she is one of the famous Williwaws, or perhaps she is actually a 1976 boat and is Dennis Connor's "Hi Roler"? I think there were only about four of this design built - Hi Roler, Superstar, Williwaw (III?) and Williwaw (IV?) and that the second Williwaw may not have been alloy.
Select to expand quoteJolene said..MagicCarpet2 said..
Hi Ramona,
Quick question. As my boat has a sugar scoop stern (Hunter 356) and is accessed through the centre is it possible offset mount a windvane ? Or would it need to be on a hinged system to swing sideways to allow access.
The Aries No 5 would possibly be a fair choice of windvane for a sugar scoop. The original ones have 4 struts that connect to a transom with a ball and socket arrangement.
The wind vane can be removed in less than a few minutes with no tools or just the working mechanism can be removed leaving the struts and mount platform,, again with no tools and less than a minute.
Thanks Jolene. Food for thought.
They don't get much more interesting than this:https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/port-macquarie/sail-boats/police-car-yacht/1225894762?edited=true
What could you do?
$500k+ to get back into full race trim and competitive? Plus experienced crew to drive her.
$200k+ to make her a reasonable club racer?
$100k+ to make her a basic cruiser.
A big, expensive hole in the water whichever way you look at it... It's a shame, but that's reality.
It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?
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It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?
No, just on the 28, as the high freeboard area is large compared to the sail area.
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It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?
Surely light weather performance will improve with more sail area.
Select to expand quotepsychomub said..jbear said..
It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?
Surely light weather performance will improve with more sail area.
Or if the optimum sail area was mathematically reduced to perform better under a particularly set of rules.
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Select to expand quoteSandS said..
just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!
No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.
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It's funny people think they can increase the sail area on Swanson believing it will preform better, when Ron Swanson was a mathematician ?
I think you'll find he was a boatbuilder who was good at maths, not a professional mathematician. But the boats of his time were developed largely around the RORC rating rule and winning races in strong winds with old-style sails, which were hard to keep flat in strong winds. That sort of factor meant that most designers, and especially Australian designers, put much smaller rigs on their boats than we use today now that we have different rules and different sailcloth and rigs. Just about all Australian boats of Ron's time were under-rigged compared to modern boats and to overseas boats of their time, and they often suffered because of it in light winds.
The Swanson 28 isn't a motorsailer never was. It was a request from a guy who approached Swansons and wanted a small compact, roomy cruising yacht similar design to the 42 and that is what it is. The idea they are slow is laughable? sail them like any full keel yacht and they sail well. No, they won't point as high as a fin keel, but they weren't designed too.
Yachts a buyers guide has a little bit about Swansons - www.boatsales.com.auional
Select to expand quotejbear said..
The Swanson 28 isn't a motorsailer never was. It was a request from a guy who approached Swansons and wanted a small compact, roomy cruising yacht similar design to the 42 and that is what it is. The idea they are slow is laughable? sail them like any full keel yacht and they sail well. No, they won't point as high as a fin keel, but they weren't designed too.
Yachts a buyers guide has a little bit about Swansons - www.boatsales.com.auional
The owner of the one for sale in caringbah has done a truck load of NM in his yet the engine only has 600 hrs on it, hardly indicative of a motorsailer. The existing engine was in it when he purchased it in Queensland years ago.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..SandS said..
just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!
No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.
Did magic carpet have all the gear in great condition as this boat has ? i bet not ......... the cheapest is not the bargain ! most cruisers will motor sail to a destination anyhow ....... i never said it was a fast SV just the bargain pocket cruiser of the month !
I have pulled both Magic Carpet and a Swanson 28 off sandbars and I know what they are like!
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The Swanson 28 isn't a motorsailer never was. It was a request from a guy who approached Swansons and wanted a small compact, roomy cruising yacht similar design to the 42 and that is what it is. The idea they are slow is laughable? sail them like any full keel yacht and they sail well. No, they won't point as high as a fin keel, but they weren't designed too.
Yachts a buyers guide has a little bit about Swansons - www.boatsales.com.auional
This S28 has been well thought out. In addition to the larger main, they have put a bowsprit on, so that the sail balance is retained. So far so good, but for me the need for running backstays spoils it.
what is the big deal with running backstays on a cruising yacht?
My Swanson 38 has them and its never been a problem.
Select to expand quoteSandS said..Ramona said..SandS said..
just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!
No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.
Did magic carpet have all the gear in great condition as this boat has ? i bet not ......... the cheapest is not the bargain ! most cruisers will motor sail to a destination anyhow ....... i never said it was a fast SV just the bargain pocket cruiser of the month !
I inspected the Swanson today in Caringbah.
It does look as if it has been well maintain in the past.
Unfortunately the owner is not able to continue to maintain it now.
It had a significant oil smell inside the boat, which, I did not understand as the motor has only 600 hours on it???
My main disappointment was internally the timber was a lot darker than the photos suggested.
This made it feel cramped and uninviting.
We went for a sail and it performed well in 10 knots.
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what is the big deal with running backstays on a cruising yacht?
My Swanson 38 has them and its never been a problem.
I'm putting check stays in mine soon with a new inner stay. I can't see the problem.
I'm anticipating some heavy weather sailing in my future.
Select to expand quoteBundeenabuoy said..SandS said..Ramona said..SandS said..
just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!
No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.
Did magic carpet have all the gear in great condition as this boat has ? i bet not ......... the cheapest is not the bargain ! most cruisers will motor sail to a destination anyhow ....... i never said it was a fast SV just the bargain pocket cruiser of the month !
I inspected the Swanson today in Caringbah.
It does look as if it has been well maintain in the past.
Unfortunately the owner is not able to continue to maintain it now.
It had a significant oil smell inside the boat, which, I did not understand as the motor has only 600 hours on it???
My main disappointment was internally the timber was a lot darker than the photos suggested.
This made it feel cramped and uninviting.
We went for a sail and it performed well in 10 knots.
L Francis Herreshof would tell you that cabin is cosy. Also, it has the advantage of the topside portholes, which is great. Some new light colour cushion covers will also make a difference.
Oil smell can be as simple as cleaning the bilges. Plus, open those ports for a while, and the breeze will help.
Cost question is how old is the rigging? And BTW, I said for me, I don't like running backstays. Just personal, you might love them, and cutter rig is a big plus.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..SandS said..
just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!
No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.
Just noticed Magic Carpet still on Yacht hub and reduced to $10K !
Select to expand quoteMagicCarpet2 said..Ramona said..
Just noticed Magic Carpet still on Yacht hub and reduced to $10K !
That's always a problem with Yachthub. Boat gets sold and people leave the ad there.
Select to expand quoteMagicCarpet2 said..Ramona said..SandS said..
just read the ad ....... this boat has just moved into first place as bargain of the month !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! great pocket cruiser for someone !!
No. Magic Carpets old Swanson 32 that just sold on Ebay for 6 grand with a mooring is the the bargain. Swanson 28's are motor sailers with a lot of wetted area. They are meant to have the engine ticking over when the wind is light.
Just noticed Magic Carpet still on Yacht hub and reduced to $10K !
Thats because he just discovered the engine had seized.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..MagicCarpet2 said..Ramona said..
Just noticed Magic Carpet still on Yacht hub and reduced to $10K !
That's always a problem with Yachthub. Boat gets sold and people leave the ad there.
Always a risk selling on eBay that the "winning " bidder might not pay up, it should have sold at $6k as there was a bid, and seller claimed no reserve...., I wonder if it actually sold
