Has the heavy rudder load been fixed by use of a suitable wedge to tilt the blade? Guess you can check the 4 Clubman's in the Bay to Bay to conclude on the optimal setting of the rudder, mast rake, sail trim etc. Good luck in the race.
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Has the heavy rudder load been fixed by use of a suitable wedge to tilt the blade? Guess you can check the 4 Clubman's in the Bay to Bay to conclude on the optimal setting of the rudder, mast rake, sail trim etc. Good luck in the race.
Thank you very much. The race should be fun as I'm not a racer.
Unfortunately for all the driving and prep involved there was very little sailing and most of that was a very broad reach/run which took us all away from Shoal Bay to Soldiers Point with my wife at the helm and a double reef in. The short answer is I don't know what the helm situation is yet and I didn't even try out the wedge. The boat really moved along which was nice although I purposely timed the return trip to coincide with the beginning of an incoming tide as on the way out to Shoal Bay I was going ridiculously fast over ground on about a quarter throttle and then turned around just to make sure and cut the speed from 8+ knots to 4..
My mate with the Clubman who I will do the Bay race with thinks my Northshore is a big deal as one always does with a substantially larger boat so I'm going to try and concentrate on it a bit more for the time being and work in a couple of sails with him on Pittwater while he is passing through.
I'm beginning to think I'm crazy having two boats but I was pleasantly surprised that all the new systems that I installed on the Clubman work very well and make cruising much more comfortable. I have to hope that one day the weather will be kind to us at the chosen destination during the school holiday windows.
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Entered Wapiti into Brisbane Race Week for a bit of fun.
Nice photo! What kind of forestay system do you have to allow the small jib (also on a furler?) to coexist with the furled genoa? It looks as though they both angle towards a similar point on the mast. Does the arrangement need running backstays?
K.
Select to expand quoteKinora said..cammd said..
Entered Wapiti into Brisbane Race Week for a bit of fun.
Nice photo! What kind of forestay system do you have to allow the small jib (also on a furler?) to coexist with the furled genoa? It looks as though they both angle towards a similar point on the mast. Does the arrangement need running backstays?
K.
The furled sail in the picture is a code zero clipped onto the bow roller and hoisted using the spinnaker halyard. The two are close together at the mast head. So far no problems getting them caught up in each other. There is also an inner stay for a staysail but its disconnected (highfield lever) and secured to one of the side stays in this pic to allow us to tack the genoa.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..r13 said..
Has the heavy rudder load been fixed by use of a suitable wedge to tilt the blade? Guess you can check the 4 Clubman's in the Bay to Bay to conclude on the optimal setting of the rudder, mast rake, sail trim etc. Good luck in the race.
Thank you very much. The race should be fun as I'm not a racer.
Unfortunately for all the driving and prep involved there was very little sailing and most of that was a very broad reach/run which took us all away from Shoal Bay to Soldiers Point with my wife at the helm and a double reef in. The short answer is I don't know what the helm situation is yet and I didn't even try out the wedge. The boat really moved along which was nice although I purposely timed the return trip to coincide with the beginning of an incoming tide as on the way out to Shoal Bay I was going ridiculously fast over ground on about a quarter throttle and then turned around just to make sure and cut the speed from 8+ knots to 4..
My mate with the Clubman who I will do the Bay race with thinks my Northshore is a big deal as one always does with a substantially larger boat so I'm going to try and concentrate on it a bit more for the time being and work in a couple of sails with him on Pittwater while he is passing through.
I'm beginning to think I'm crazy having two boats but I was pleasantly surprised that all the new systems that I installed on the Clubman work very well and make cruising much more comfortable. I have to hope that one day the weather will be kind to us at the chosen destination during the school holiday windows.
So how was it? They had a good turn up of over 100 boats.
As you would be aware the results are on the HBSC website now
herveybaysailingclub.org.au/bay-to-bay-yacht-race/bay-to-bay-downloads/https://herveybaysailingclub.org.au/bay-to-bay-yacht-race/bay-to-bay-downloads/
and FB page
www.facebook.com/B2BYR/
and Sat photos here; there are great youtube videos also...........looks like a fantastic 2 days have to put that on the bucket list...........
julesmagic.fotomerchant.com/events-2023/bay-to-bay-2024-main
herveybaysailingclub.org.au/bay-to-bay-yacht-race/2024-bay-to-bay-youtube-channel/
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As you would be aware the results are on the HBSC website now
herveybaysailingclub.org.au/bay-to-bay-yacht-race/bay-to-bay-downloads/https://herveybaysailingclub.org.au/bay-to-bay-yacht-race/bay-to-bay-downloads/
and FB page
www.facebook.com/B2BYR/
and Sat photos here; there are great youtube videos also...........looks like a fantastic 2 days have to put that on the bucket list...........
julesmagic.fotomerchant.com/events-2023/bay-to-bay-2024-main
herveybaysailingclub.org.au/bay-to-bay-yacht-race/2024-bay-to-bay-youtube-channel/
Wow thanks for the heads up on the photos and vids. Spent an hour or so going through the results yesterday . I only wish I got into the trailer sailer scene 20 years ago .
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..julesmoto said..r13 said..
... Good luck in the race.
So how was it? They had a good turn up of over 100 boats.
Thanks very much for asking guys. Yes it was a fun experience and there was a good turn out and I was particularly surprised at the number of trimarans.
Quite a few boats ran ground and we did also but very briefly. A number of boats followed each other into the shallows near Kingfisher resort and one poor guy couldn't lift his keel and was there for ages heeled right over as the tide was going out.
The wind varied a lot from barely there to around 20 knots and was almost all downwind or at least a reach where the spinnaker could still just be held.
There was one mark or should I say gate where we were going to windward in a very light breeze and the tide was on the beam and it was funny too be approaching the mark and be making what appeared to be a ridiculous amount of leeway compared to bugger all forward motion. Three of the boats near us gave up as they missed it and couldn't get back to the mark.
We didn't do very well due to a couple of factors (as well as l being far from aces in the first place). We lost the plug that goes under the outboard in the cockpit locker after the outboard is raised as the skipper didn't want to put it in until just after the start and then it went right out the hole and out the back and it had to be retrieved. Then the pin in the pole beak wouldn't seat causing the pole to keep jumping out the mast so we didn't use it for most of the race.
There was quite a lot of rain that week and we got there about three days early only one of which was suitable for sailing so we sailed out to the bar in what was most over 20 knots and had a damn good day.
The marina was a sponsor of the race and only charged 35 dollars a night for a berth which was good. A lot of people still anchored out and waded in as of course there is no room for a dinghy on a trailer sailer whilst racing.
There was an absolutely perfect looking Ross 780 there which looked like it had just come off the showroom floor. I spoke to the sailmaker owner and he said he bought it as a sunken wreck. I was surprised that anyone in the know would restore a balsa core sunken boat to such a perfect standard and asked him if it was indeed a cored hull to which he answered yes balsa core but they went over it with a moisture metre before he bought it and it was dry. A testament to the builder and previous owners I guess.
It was overcast for almost all of the race but not cold and it did rain a few times.
Anyway it's was still good fun and the great opportunity to look at other boats. Attached is a picture going past Kingfisher with the kite up and my mate, the boat owner, holding both the sheet and the guy whilst I took a picture.
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..... I only wish I got into the trailer sailer scene 20 years ago .
Well everyone is different but my friend who I crewed for is 75 and he towed the boat up from southern Victoria. I'm 69 in a few months and we met a father and son in the race with no other crew and the father was 91 and the son wasn't exactly young either.
Actually they gave an award to the youngest in the race who was eight whereas I think they should have given it to the 91 year old.
There is almost always someone offering a hand at launching ramps and there certainly was this weekend.
My 75-year-old friend has two boats one being the Clubman and the other being a Farr 6000 which he says is much easier to sail, launch and rig single-handed as are most trailer sailers around 20 foot or even less. He actively uses both of them a lot.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..Bananabender said..... I only wish I got into the trailer sailer scene 20 years ago .
Well everyone is different but my friend who I crewed for is 75 and he towed the boat up from southern Victoria. I'm 69 in a few months and we met a father and son in the race with no other crew and the father was 91 and the son wasn't exactly young either.
Actually they gave an award to the youngest in the race who was eight whereas I think they should have given it to the 91 year old.
There is almost always someone offering a hand at launching ramps and there certainly was this weekend.
My 75-year-old friend has two boats one being the Clubman and the other being a Farr 6000 which he says is much easier to sail, launch and rig single-handed as are most trailer sailers around 20 foot or even less. He actively uses both of them a lot.
Your friend is spot on regarding a ts around 20 foot.
I'm 81 this year and day sail my Sonata 6 (20 ft) solo at least three /four days a month between Southern Moreton Bay and Southport depending on wind and tide. I knew nothing about trailer sailers until I bought the Sonata in 2017 and can't believe how much fun I have missed all those years I trudged around a golf course after moving up here to Qld. 20 years ago. I do sometimes regret not getting a fractional rig like on the farr 6000 as the mast is lighter than my masthead but then again the Sonata 6 is a real thrill machine when need be. Hell when the winds and tide is right I can be heeled at 20degrees in 15apw doing 3-4 kn. sog . against the tide or 7-8 with.??
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Your friend is spot on regarding a ts around 20 foot.
I'm 81 this year and day sail my Sonata 6 (20 ft) solo at least three /four days a month between Southern Moreton Bay and Southport depending on wind and tide. I knew nothing about trailer sailers until I bought the Sonata in 2017 and can't believe how much fun I have missed all those years I trudged around a golf course after moving up here to Qld. 20 years ago. I do sometimes regret not getting a fractional rig like on the farr 6000 as the mast is lighter than my masthead but then again the Sonata 6 is a real thrill machine when need be. Hell when the winds and tide is right I can be heeled at 20degrees in 15apw doing 3-4 kn. sog . against the tide or 7-8 with.??
Great to hear :).
Having mainly only ever sailed around Sydney harbour and Pittwater (plus adjacent offshore areas) in keel yachts where if you can see water you can go there I must confess that a lot of Queensland areas such as Sandy Straits, Gold Coast to Moreton Bay and even the Whitsundays still intimidate me due to the extremely large non navigable areas of sand bars and worse still reefs. Add large tidal flows to this and I find it very hard to relax. Sure it's a challenge and challenges can sometimes be good but there's something nice about sailing when you don't have to worry about these hazards but rather can enjoy just the wind waves and swell.
The Bay to Bay organisers obviously set up the race at times when the tide, with the exception of only one mark that I can think of, was working for us although despite the fact that we were still navigating areas with enormous percentages of no go areas. The prevailing winds at this time of year having a large southerly component are also nice as tacking up narrow areas, particularly short-handed, I also don't find fun.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..Bananabender said..
Your friend is spot on regarding a ts around 20 foot.
I'm 81 this year and day sail my Sonata 6 (20 ft) solo at least three /four days a month between Southern Moreton Bay and Southport depending on wind and tide. I knew nothing about trailer sailers until I bought the Sonata in 2017 and can't believe how much fun I have missed all those years I trudged around a golf course after moving up here to Qld. 20 years ago. I do sometimes regret not getting a fractional rig like on the farr 6000 as the mast is lighter than my masthead but then again the Sonata 6 is a real thrill machine when need be. Hell when the winds and tide is right I can be heeled at 20degrees in 15apw doing 3-4 kn. sog . against the tide or 7-8 with.??
Great to hear :).
Having mainly only ever sailed around Sydney harbour and Pittwater (plus adjacent offshore areas) in keel yachts where if you can see water you can go there I must confess that a lot of Queensland areas such as Sandy Straits, Gold Coast to Moreton Bay and even the Whitsundays still intimidate me due to the extremely large non navigable areas of sand bars and worse still reefs. Add large tidal flows to this and I find it very hard to relax. Sure it's a challenge and challenges can sometimes be good but there's something nice about sailing when you don't have to worry about these hazards but rather can enjoy just the wind waves and swell.
The Bay to Bay organisers obviously set up the race at times when the tide, with the exception of only one mark that I can think of, was working for us although despite the fact that we were still navigating areas with enormous percentages of no go areas. The prevailing winds at this time of year having a large southerly component are also nice as tacking up narrow areas, particularly short-handed, I also don't find fun.
Your right re the restricted waterways ,tides etc. but it may be strange to hear but as a solo in a lot of respects my sailing skills are sharper by having to sail in enclosed waters where there is very little wiggle room to lay off. Much like racing ,you set a course and thats the way you go irrespective of tacks or gybes needed to get there . With a ts where I sail if I hit sand I can just let go the sheets wind up the keel ( electric) and sail away although one time with the assy. up by the time I dropped everything it was not so easy. Its also nice to beach the boat, say on Sth Straddie. ,have a coffee ,eats and walk.
My previous keel life was in 70/80's on Port Phillip with a Columbia ,got bored sailing around in circles so got a Bounty 35 , joined ORCV . Great racing with crew of 6 every Wed,Sat and ORCV offshore .
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Your right re the restricted waterways ,tides etc. but it may be strange to hear but as a solo in a lot of respects my sailing skills are sharper by having to sail in enclosed waters where there is very little wiggle room to lay off. Much like racing ,you set a course and thats the way you go irrespective of tacks or gybes needed to get there . With a ts where I sail if I hit sand I can just let go the sheets wind up the keel ( electric) and sail away although one time with the assy. up by the time I dropped everything it was not so easy. Its also nice to beach the boat, say on Sth Straddie. ,have a coffee ,eats and walk.
My previous keel life was in 70/80's on Port Phillip with a Columbia ,got bored sailing around in circles so got a Bounty 35 , joined ORCV . Great racing with crew of 6 every Wed,Sat and ORCV offshore .
Yes it's a whole different world to keel boats. I haven't beached mine yet but I may one day. Don't want it to be like beach cats with all the gelcoat worn off the bottom.
Still got the mindset that running aground is like crashing your car.
Interestingly when we retrieved the boats at Hervey Bay there was a shed outside of which was a quite substantial lead keel bent sideways into a C shape. Perhaps I should say a u-shape but it was a full U! The boat must have bounced up and down whilst it was heeled over on the same side for quite a while to do that I would think and although I know lead is malleable I was amazed it didn't crack such was the radius of the bend even though the keel was quite a thick one. Shame I didn't get a picture but my mate was in a hurry.
Yes offshore is where it's at with keelboats. If I don't get outside with my Northshore then I figure I haven't really been for a sail. Fortunately where I have mine moored is less than halfway down Pittwater so it's not very far before I can be out past Barrenjoey at sea.
Cold back at home compared to Queensland so pondering where I will go in the July school holidays. I would like to have another crack at Morton Island but I'm thinking I would like it a bit warmer except for the fact that Airlie beach is so damn far to drive. Didn't get to see any of the islands last time so it's still on the bucket list.
With the four school holidays per year I think ideally it's Paynesville in summer, Moreton Island in April. Airlie beach in July then leave the boat on the hard there with the mast up till September holidays. Of course that's from a Sydneysiders base climate yet my Victorian friend thinks coming to Sydney gets him warm in September.
The trusty Northshore of course gets used year round while I'm home.
'With the four school holidays per year I think ideally it's Paynesville in summer, Moreton Island in April. Airlie beach in July then leave the boat on the hard there with the mast up till September holidays. Of course that's from a Sydneysiders base climate yet my Victorian friend thinks coming to Sydney gets him warm in September.'You have worked that out well ,Marley ,Bay to Bay, Hamilton Island .
July on Moreton is cold. For me anyway . 20-22 . August not good with cold westerlies but then again as you say depends on whats cold to you
East from Square Head to North Head, south outside the Toll Gate islands and then back into the bay from the south east past Snapper Island and back onto mooring at Square Head. Not much wind for the first hour or two, and it couldn't make up its mind which way to blow for a while in the morning - went from a northerly to a southerly for a while, but after noon settled to be from the North reaching 10-12 knots gusting 18. Some swings of 40 or more degrees back in the Bay.
Sunny the whole way. Beautiful winter's day. About 3C when I set out, reached about 15C in the afternoon. One whale came up for a breath a bit less than 100m off the port bow in the late morning, heading north. below piccy of the Toll Gate Islands from the east a bit after noon.
Some friends came out from Tassie so we went for a sail. A bit hot, so the bays asked if there was anywhere to swim. We were just passing a little cove protected by tetapods. I had sail past dozens of times, but never ventured in.
2.7 meters of calm clear cool water. A pirate's cave.
Will be back for sure. Next time with live bait.
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Nice Stonehaven sunset last night.
That's a cracker! Mines a bit diffrent.
Not on my boat, but this years Whitsunday charter was a real treat, weather was mostly kind and the mid charter step up from the Catalina 350 to a dufor 412 was brilliant, especially given she had a brand new not used yet set of sails put on for race week !
Went out to the bay for a peaceful sail, caught a stunning sunset. Perfect day on the water! 
My mate Brad came out from Oz for a sail again this year. We planned to do a 200 mile ( 400 return) trip but the wind stayed away, so it was a three day motor sail cruise around a fairly local area. Great time though. Great food, people and places.
This is the local nuclear power plant contrasted with a typical island from this area.
We were invited for sunset beer on the deck of this little beach house. Turns out it belonged to the president of Honda. even with that wealth Japanese tend to keep things simple and unpretentious.
Gary
Not a patch on Gary's picturesque cruise but fun all the same. We were aiming for Portsea but there was too much west in it so we went for a beat upwind towards Geelong. Happy with a bit of water across the deck.
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Not a patch on Gary's picturesque cruise but fun all the same. We were aiming for Portsea but there was too much west in it so we went for a beat upwind towards Geelong. Happy with a bit of water across the deck.
Great looking headsail, cabin top and gear there - what model yacht is that please?
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Not a patch on Gary's picturesque cruise but fun all the same. We were aiming for Portsea but there was too much west in it so we went for a beat upwind towards Geelong. Happy with a bit of water across the deck.
Great looking headsail, cabin top and gear there - what model yacht is that please?
Haha thanks! It's the first time we've felt like we had that heady set properly. The boat is an NSX36 - a Northshore designed by Scott Jutson in about 1994. According to the polars we should have had another half a knot on that 6.5 but I think it needs bums on the rail for that.
Didn't go anywhere on my boat but I did crew on another in the St Helena Cup. Approx 70 entries, light winds Saturday but blew a hooley on Sunday. 25 retirements, couple of yachts laid over and one lost a rig.
Below is a pic of the Didi26 I sailed on. Great little ply epoxy boat, we retired on Sunday, she was taking a pounding in the Moreton Bay fetch to windward and we didn't want to break her.
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