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Is there a Moses setup aimed at the same performance criteria as the i76?
Yes it's the 790
If you love the i76 I strongly recommend demoing the 790 as it the same thing butt thinner and more responsive . I don't regret the switch worth every penny. I was riding the ss 76 last season and was waiting for the new Phantasm foil to drop last Aug. never happened so I was already looking at the Moses so I pulled the trigger. So for 2020 season I'll be riding my moses gear, we will see what SS will bring the the market this year here in SF bay area from the look of it it will be nice
Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
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Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
No the mast only has one slot. I've never rode the big 873 so don't know I use the 790 down to 15 mph and i'm 200+ lbs. I as ride the 790, 683 and the 720 all on the 900 fuselage with no problem. I just adjust my setting for each wing, mast track, harness lines. I've also started to experiment with a different rear stabilizer 483 vs 450 It makes for a huge difference for me.
The season is just getting started for me with early spring winds here in the SF bay area I'll keep you posted as I go this year...
This was my first day out at Treasure Island this weekend 15 to 20 mph had the place to myself..
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Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
I ride Mosses with the 790 wing and 900 fuse. I am able to cover 4.0 to 6.0 sails with the tuttle box. When i rig my 7.5 it works in the tuttle but it is a bit back foot heavy. I use a track adaptor and slide the whole kit forward about two inches and it balances perfect.
Select to expand quotedejavu said..
Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
I ride Mosses with the 790 wing and 900 fuse. I am able to cover 4.0 to 6.0 sails with the tuttle box. When i rig my 7.5 it works in the tuttle but it is a bit back foot heavy. I use a track adaptor and slide the whole kit forward about two inches and it balances perfect.
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Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
No the mast only has one slot. I've never rode the big 873 so don't know I use the 790 down to 15 mph and i'm 200+ lbs. I as ride the 790, 683 and the 720 all on the 900 fuselage with no problem. I just adjust my setting for each wing, mast track, harness lines. I've also started to experiment with a different rear stabilizer 483 vs 450 It makes for a huge difference for me.
The season is just getting started for me with early spring winds here in the SF bay area I'll keep you posted as I go this year...
This was my first day out at Treasure Island this weekend 15 to 20 mph had the place to myself..
Gwarn,
Tell us about your board mate! It has got to be good it wants to fly off without you! Also I am interested in your finding on the stab. I ride the 450 but question the upturning wing tips. Often they are the first thing to breach particularly going into a gybe when the main wing is on a crest and the stab in a trough.
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Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
I ride Mosses with the 790 wing and 900 fuse. I am able to cover 4.0 to 6.0 sails with the tuttle box. When i rig my 7.5 it works in the tuttle but it is a bit back foot heavy. I use a track adaptor and slide the whole kit forward about two inches and it balances perfect.
Are you using any shims? The kit I saw the other day had a couple of shims with it but another fellow says his foil didn't come with any. The thin shim seems to add about a degree and the thicker, two. Mr. P mentioned them in an old iwindsurf post from last summer, too, suggesting adding a degree for lighter winds, etc.
Yes I am shimming the stab. Mine came with a thick and a thin shim. I typically just use the one thick shim. I have found I prefer less stab angle in general. It is faster and easier to hold the wing down when gybing. In fact that is how I set my stab angle, I shim it untill I start foiling out in gybes then back it off. In other words if your back foot ends up near the front foot straps before you switch your feet you have to much stab angle. I primarily use the track system and much prefer to change my pitch balance by sliding the foil through a range of 2'' fore and aft. I am tending to leave the stab angle the same and just move the foil. This way you get the balance in pitch with out the drag of the shimmed stab and you do not have too much lift when running straight down wind. I learned this from Armstrong
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Yes I am shimming the stab. Mine came with a thick and a thin shim. I typically just use the one thick shim. I have found I prefer less stab angle in general. It is faster and easier to hold the wing down when gybing. In fact that is how I set my stab angle, I shim it untill I start foiling out in gybes then back it off. In other words if your back foot ends up near the front foot straps before you switch your feet you have to much stab angle. I primarily use the track system and much prefer to change my pitch balance by sliding the foil through a range of 2'' fore and aft. I am tending to leave the stab angle the same and just move the foil. This way you get the balance in pitch with out the drag of the shimmed stab and you do not have too much lift when running straight down wind. I learned this from Armstrong
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The only con to sliding the whole foil forward is that you start affect the yaw balance. To date my adjustments do not materially change the yaw balance. When I am slid all the way forward with the big sails I think I can notice the yaw change but I like it. It makes the big rigs turn better and rip upwind.
Sailworks sent spare shims at no cost, gotta love their customer service.
There are designs coming out now with long mortises in the fuse and you can block the mast one side or the other which is a better design than SS and cheaper than two fuses.
As I have mentioned elswhere I would love a hollow carbon one piece flanged mast and fuse. It would weigh a lot less and with the tracks and adjstable stab it offers the same adjustments. I guy can dream right!
Thanks, trying to help the locals tune theirs.
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Do the Moses foils allow one to attach the mast to different positions on the fuselage to change lift? Changing the mast's position for various wings has made a big difference to me -- especially if using the same wing in a broad range of conditions.
No the mast only has one slot. I've never rode the big 873 so don't know I use the 790 down to 15 mph and i'm 200+ lbs. I as ride the 790, 683 and the 720 all on the 900 fuselage with no problem. I just adjust my setting for each wing, mast track, harness lines. I've also started to experiment with a different rear stabilizer 483 vs 450 It makes for a huge difference for me.
The season is just getting started for me with early spring winds here in the SF bay area I'll keep you posted as I go this year...
This was my first day out at Treasure Island this weekend 15 to 20 mph had the place to myself..
Cool board. The nose looks like a naish hover but the body looks like a wizard 103.
In pic #1 is that mesh looking stuff for carrying items. It looks like the stuff put on kayaks.
Wish I had the tools and skill to make one. Please keep us updated on this board.
Some words regarding the points of construction / engenieering of the SS. Also regarding the high critism of duzz.
I'm a really hobby foiler since around 5 month on a little lake on germany, so we have really very very variable conditions.
One day between 8 -20 knots other days with 20 -35 knots, also days with only 6 - 10 knots.
I'm driving the i76 on a Wizard 125 with 90KG weigth. Sailrange now 4 -6,9.
I just saw friends of me on other wings like the h9 or the NP.
Much more comparsion I don't have also not the budget to buy 10 wings to test. :-)
I saw also the mounting system from moses and I can agree. Regarding the mounting there is improvment potential at SS with the engenieering view:
1) Mount ON the Fuse is not as good as IN the fuse.
2) Mount of the DTB Adapter tends with the time to get a minimal loose.
But until now whether me nor some of my known SS foilers had a real issue with this.
I check the screws of DTB all 3-5 session. The Mast I mount on the fuse every session by new as I have to less space in the car for the whole mounted foil.
But regarding the progress of skilling level for me and all my friends using the SS I76 I see at all a big jump of more stability and very quick learning of gybes. Things the same people tried to learn over a year on other foils with quite only little progress. The same at foiling in strong winds up to 30 knots. So the fun and foiling experience is really great and this is one very important point for me as enduser.
The Systems of SS WORKS very good!
Also the resistnace of the Wings itself is good.
We are on a lake where is the danger to touch the ground at some places.
Friend of me with a moses told me that the moses is much more sensible. I have not seen it by myself. So only collected this statement.
But I just touched the ground with the I76 foil bit harder...result with the I76 where some scratches that where easy to fix again with 2k Epoxy and abrasive paper.
With waranty i.e. of boards two of my friends have very good experience. In both cases with issues in the fin box holes the boards (3 month use / 1 year use and old generation) where replaced by a completely new one. I don't know how this is handeled in other cases. These are the two cases I got reported.
Independently about which topic or company or product, I really hate comments like:
"everything worse" like stated by duzz as this won't help anybody.
When something is not as good as needed I prefer to compare the same points on concrete facts between all the companies where named as they do better. Comments like that create the assumtion that some people are jealious on the success of some companies / products and it won't be a surprise for me if duzz is employee, sponsored or something like that from another company. Sorry, but comments like that create this idea.
Out of my point of view I see also improvement potential regarding the mounting system in the fuse and DTB adapter at SS.
On the other hand until now I don't know anyone who had problems with that and I see endless fun at my side an big level progress of all are using the the i76.
And yes there are also a lot of other good foils on the market. Everybody is free to test a bunch of them. But it will be like at Windsurfboards and Sails etc. everything will have advantages, disadvantages and personal preferences and reuquirements. Out of my point of view a fact based comparsion or statement will help more.
So have fun at foiling and John Jonson:
Your videos are really really great !!!
They show the freedom of foiling....and how easy to controll the I76 is to ride in several conditions.
Please continue with your videos !! I personaly love them.
Greetings from Germany / Bavaria !
About the board it's 6'2" x 31" 4.5" epoxy with 4oz and 6oz S glass( Surfboard style lay up ) the net you see is a vector caron cloth under the lay up. Last season I only had the 105 and I'm over 200 lbs so only water starting it made for some missed days as I could not uphaul it. So I made this board so I can get a early start to spring her in the SF bay area. It's flat to a single concave so far it has worked well I've gotten 6 days on it 12-18 mph days. I wouldn't have gone out on the 105 so it's a win win for me.
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Some words regarding the points of construction / engenieering...
Thanks for a balanced point of view with some constructive points.
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About the board it's 6'2" x 31" 4.5" epoxy with 4oz and 6oz...
Nice work. Do you have a bill materials you used in the build? Also got a photo of the bottom of the board? did you place the mast track / foot straps based on the foil placement?
Ya the deck is 2 layers 6oz with a single extra 6oz patch on the nose and track and the bottom is 2 layer 0f 4oz with two patch of 6 over the box. The box and plugs I just winged it from the lay out on the 105. Mast track is 41" from the front fin box screw
Gwarn That Is SIC and inspiring. I am offically ready to build another.
What type of foam is it? How much did the finished board weigh? Something light and compact like this is where I am headed for my front beach sailing. Nice work mate!
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When something is not as good as needed I prefer to compare the same points on concrete facts between all the companies where named as they do better. Comments like that create the assumtion that some people are jealious on the success of some companies / products and it won't be a surprise for me if duzz is employee, sponsored or something like that from another company. Sorry, but comments like that create this idea.
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Greetings from Germany / Bavaria !
Hi Michael, I can assure you that I am a private citizen, happily sailing and windsurfing with no relationship whatever with any company. But again posting with a title such as "Infinity 76 - Superwing", including a professionally made video with it, and claiming that that wing is the best wing on the market, to me looks like a commercial in disguise. And if not it is just reflects a very biased idea about what the market offers.
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Ya the deck is 2 layers 6oz with a single extra 6oz patch on the nose and track and the bottom is 2 layer 0f 4oz with two patch of 6 over the box. The box and plugs I just winged it from the lay out on the 105. Mast track is 41" from the front fin box screw
So cool John! And another reminder of how avoiding sandwich construction is ok. I am so very tempted to go build a board, maybe a bigger one for next winter! Bravo!
will be interesting to see how long the surfboard construction lasts on gwarn's boards. he views these as developmental shapes, so he doesn't need them to last long, but it will be interesting to see how they hold up nonetheless.
now... if only i could get him to shape me a winging board. actually have a shaper in SoCal who wants to shape some.
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will be interesting to see how long the surfboard construction lasts on gwarn's boards. he views these as developmental shapes, so he doesn't need them to last long, but it will be interesting to see how they hold up nonetheless.
now... if only i could get him to shape me a winging board. actually have a shaper in SoCal who wants to shape some.
What do you want that the Sky boards don't give?
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will be interesting to see how long the surfboard construction lasts on gwarn's boards. he views these as developmental shapes, so he doesn't need them to last long, but it will be interesting to see how they hold up nonetheless.
now... if only i could get him to shape me a winging board. actually have a shaper in SoCal who wants to shape some.
What do you want that the Sky boards don't give?
something immediately available in the~ 5'6" x 100l that is under 10lbs? I'm not actually sure, but a shaper buddy of mine wants to make some, and I'm a willing test pilot.
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including a professionally made video with it,
Thanks for the compliment. I can assure you though that none of the footage or edits were done in a professional capacity... ie paid for.
Sorry the formatting of above post is messed up, expand the yellow box and it's readable.
I am not part of the Slingshot Crew or Severne Crew or any other crew for that matter. I shot the videos in my own time while not shooting commercial jobs... eg sitting with my kids on the beach flying the drone while they run their cookie stall.
To be honest I'd love to be part of a crew. Perhaps that way I wouldn't have to drop so much money on windsurf gear.
if anyone out there wants me to part of their crew I'd love to be.
re Slingshot, they simply asked me if they could post the video on their YouTube / Instagram channels. The mindfactory logo the beginning is my company. We offer corporate consulting services as well as do media production for corporate customers.
Again this was not and never has been a commissioned video. My 5 cents ... don't like it... don't watch it.
Now can we get back to discussing foiling rather then people bickering at eat other.
I am not part of the Slingshot Crew or Severne Crew or any other crew for that matter. I shot the videos in my own time while not shooting commercial jobs... eg sitting with my kids on the beach flying the drone while they run their cookie stall.
To be honest I'd love to be part of a crew. Perhaps that way I wouldn't have to drop so much money on windsurf gear.
if anyone out there wants me to part of their crew I'd love to be.
re Slingshot, they simply asked me if they could post the video on their YouTube / Instagram channels. The mindfactory logo the beginning is my company. We offer corporate consulting services as well as do media production for corporate customers.
Again this was not and never has been a commissioned video. My 5 cents ... don't like it... don't watch it.
Now can we get back to discussing foiling rather then people bickering at eat other.
