Select to expand quoteforceten said..
Mini Cooper Clubman, 6 boards, 6 sails , 2 booms, 3.5 masts, 2wetsuits, 2booties, 2 harness, 56 fins, 2tubs of assorted associated support bolts sandpaper etc, 1large Arctic tent, wood burning stove, kerosene cooking stove , gasoline generator, JVC stereo system, electric cooler, 12 varieties of beer, 2rum, 2 18 YO Scotch, 1/2 a steer , computer, printer, money , large bills fit in door sides, sunscreen, 7 hats, 7 board shorts, 7 tops, 22 tee shirts, 7 toothbrush, toothpaste large, medical kit, snake bite anti venom, alien abduction spray, bear repellent, fly cast rod, spinning rod, deep sea fish rod, shovel, Jack, 1 English mastiff, I Newfoundland, 1Leonberger, 1 Bouvier Des Flanders, 2 flying squirrels.
1Pvc blank, electric sander, epoxy, glass, carbon, paint, spray compressor, tape, spray gun, large painting tent. 7 railroad ties.
assortment of audio books 7, 17 music CD, towels 7, large bottle of ibuprofen, Rescue Remedy, Arnica, poison ivy cream,surgical kit, sutures knives, electric drill for tooth repair, super glue, duct tape assorted color, sail repair tape, tape to repair tape.
7 extra downhaul lines, 7 extra outhaul. 7 mast extensions. 7 Phillips head screwdrivers, 5 slotted, metic hex head wrenches, 2 adjustable wrenches, 1 right 1 left. One sky hook. Windshield washer fluid, oil 1 gallon, 1 oil filter.
large bag of peanuts, squirells. I 10 gauge shotgun, 1 300 Winchester Magnum, large skinning knife.
Thats just silly.
Nobody buys 10 gauge, the ammo is too expensive.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..sboardcrazy said..
If I want a Vw (Drives more like a car than a van ) they only come in diesel..?
Have you driven an iLoad? I rented one in WA one year and it drove much better than our usual Hiace rental van. It was much more like a car than the Hiace and much more quiet.
The only disadvantage with the bonneted type vans is the shorter payload area, but it looks like you have gotten used to that anyway and folded the front seat forward. The major positive I think is that the bonneted vans should be safer.
I think the iLoads are in petrol as well as diesel.
Iloads are well worth considering, I'd buy another one, but I'd stick with the petrol version.
Mines still got the cargo barrier in it, and ive only come across one short board i couldn't fit sitting straight (remedied by cutting a small hole for the nose to go through the cargo barrier)
its got 184 000 on the clock now, regularly serviced, it hasn't missed a beat yet
Select to expand quotesboardcrazy said..
If I want a Vw (Drives more like a car than a van ) they only come in diesel..?
I've recently sold my VW van. Great car but I would never buy another one, just based on principle.
All manufacturers tune diesels with a bias to pass emissions test rather than worry specifically about real world conditions. Understandable. But Volkswagen is the only one we know of who went as far as using the electronic sensors monitoring wheel rotations and steering inputs for the on board computer to determine that the vehicle was in a laboratory test. The computer then ran a completely different engine management program while the test was in progress. That should have been the end of VW.
I suppose if any good came out of it it's that VW was sort of forced to head strongly in the EV direction. I'd let them stew a little longer. Maybe consider one of their electric vans 10 years down the track.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
www.nytimes.com/2017/03/06/science/volkswagen-emissions-scandal-air-pollution-deaths.html
Select to expand quoteforceten said..LeeD said..
8 boards, 9'6" SUP, 2 windfoil boards, 5 windsurf boards, 5 booms, 14 sails, 2 foils with room to change inside or bike. 2 SUP paddles.
ProMaster short.
Mini Cooper Clubman, 6 boards, 6 sails , 2 booms, 3.5 masts, 2wetsuits, 2booties, 2 harness, 56 fins, 2tubs of assorted associated support bolts sandpaper etc, 1large Arctic tent, wood burning stove, kerosene cooking stove , gasoline generator, JVC stereo system, electric cooler, 12 varieties of beer, 2rum, 2 18 YO Scotch, 1/2 a steer , computer, printer, money , large bills fit in door sides, sunscreen, 7 hats, 7 board shorts, 7 tops, 22 tee shirts, 7 toothbrush, toothpaste large, medical kit, snake bite anti venom, alien abduction spray, bear repellent, fly cast rod, spinning rod, deep sea fish rod, shovel, Jack, 1 English mastiff, I Newfoundland, 1Leonberger, 1 Bouvier Des Flanders, 2 flying squirrels.
1Pvc blank, electric sander, epoxy, glass, carbon, paint, spray compressor, tape, spray gun, large painting tent. 7 railroad ties.
assortment of audio books 7, 17 music CD, towels 7, large bottle of ibuprofen, Rescue Remedy, Arnica, poison ivy cream,surgical kit, sutures knives, electric drill for tooth repair, super glue, duct tape assorted color, sail repair tape, tape to repair tape.
7 extra downhaul lines, 7 extra outhaul. 7 mast extensions. 7 Phillips head screwdrivers, 5 slotted, metic hex head wrenches, 2 adjustable wrenches, 1 right 1 left. One sky hook. Windshield washer fluid, oil 1 gallon, 1 oil filter.
large bag of peanuts, squirells. I 10 gauge shotgun, 1 300 Winchester Magnum, large skinning knife.
Brilliant! 
Select to expand quotesboardcrazy said..
I'd still like to know why everyone stores the boards flat and not in bags on their sides? I feel I save space that way but I'm not sure?
I like to keep wet boards in the bags until I get home and then leave them out to dry. That way the van doesn't get touched by wet boards.. the sails are up on a bed and have towels under them , likewise booms. All taken out to dry and the van aired.
In my opinion the volume required to store boards flat or sideways would be the same , tho only diferance I could see would be to free up floor space by compressing flat stored boards to one side vs a lower load of side stored boards allowing for a full width bed or shelf above them. 6 of 1 or ? Dozen of another.
Select to expand quotesboardcrazy said..
I'd still like to know why everyone stores the boards flat and not in bags on their sides? I feel I save space that way but I'm not sure?
I like to keep wet boards in the bags until I get home and then leave them out to dry. That way the van doesn't get touched by wet boards.. the sails are up on a bed and have towels under them , likewise booms. All taken out to dry and the van aired.
In my opinion the volume required to store boards flat or sideways would be the same , tho only diferance I could see would be to free up floor space by compressing flat stored boards to one side vs a lower load of side stored boards allowing for a full width bed or shelf above them. 6 of 1 or ? Dozen of another.
Stored vertically on edge, you could bring them a bit closer together than having them horizontally stored. If you are storing 5 or more you might have space for an extra board. All depends on boards rocker n shape.
Select to expand quotesboardcrazy said..
If I want a Vw (Drives more like a car than a van ) they only come in diesel..?
Thats now........
They have dropped all Diesels from their cars and I suspect the vans will follow soon..
Select to expand quotesailquik said..sboardcrazy said..
If I want a Vw (Drives more like a car than a van ) they only come in diesel..?
Thats now........
They have dropped all Diesels from their cars and I suspect the vans will follow soon..
And the double cab utes. The US never really got taken in by the diesel-for-the-punters scam. Our Ford Raptor is currently diesel powered theirs runs on petrol, always has.
We stack 5 boards with the footstraps just touching the bottom of the board above, 7" spacing. Bags would add the need for more spacing.
2 wider boards go vert on the side. One high wind board gets tucked behind the space created by one wheel well. Surprisingly, it doesn't get scratched unbagged.
My Skate 110 does need a front screw undone on the front straps because it is thick.
Taking fins in and out of the boards has always been too much of a PITA for me, fin shims, wearing out the mounting screws, in a rush to get in the water, so I like to keep them in, so my boards are stored flat, with fin space. Also if I took more than three boards, high, medium, and low wind, I'm doing something wrong. Masts in their bags, suspended from the ceiling, booms hanging by their clews in a cradle, at the end of the forward bar under the twinzer board. When I take out one board, the one on the floor, I have more than enough room to change into my wetsuit. Also my rack doesn't have legs that go down to the floor on the outside of it, so I can fit a full size inflatable mattress in there for sleeping, or stack full size sheets of plywood or drywall in there for work. So this is what works for me, knowing to each their own.
I hadn't thought of the fins. That's probably the main reason people go horizontal without bags..
Sue you saw my New Hiace last week as you know I tow a caravan so I have no need for a bed.
I got the a 2.8 diesel auto for towing as it's got 450nm 1500kg tow capacity Manual is 1900kg 150kg ball weight.
I would have loved it in a V6 as I have the same motor in my Toyota Aurion and it's a rocket ship so it's my speed fix.
As you know I just drove down to Budgewoi on my first trip towing the caravan and it went unreal the hills were a breeze the seating was very comfy with no body pain after hours of driving. Felt some wind gusts on the drive down to Budgy from Port in that strong wind but following trucks felt none. Daff the diesel motor is noisy on takeoff but on the highway with my fit out it's incredibly quiet before the fit out there was some muffler noise in the back.
Sue I made my racks in the new van horizontal to make use of the high roof which was wasted space in my old van and I also got rid of the board bags which only took up room and were always a pain pulling them in and out and also smelt when wet. I have a small towel which I use to wipe my boards dry this works well with no dripping and the foot straps dry out quick so no more smell apart from wet gear which always gets washed and dried later.
As you know my Sue and I go free camping so the new fit out was designed to carry heaps of camping gear as well I can now also carry 80L of water in drums on the side steps now I have two sliding doors.
I spent 9 days on the new fit out and had a lot of help from Trimmer in our team Thanks
My old van fit out below longer by 200mm in the back but 200mm narrower 
New Hiace fit out done made use of the roof area room for more boards, sails and more.
Select to expand quotesboardcrazy said..
I hadn't thought of the fins. That's probably the main reason people go horizontal without bags..
Sue I was going to make some draws for my fins etc but I found some storage boxes at a cheap shop they are only $15 and are 780x400x160 with lid and 8 wheels just perfect for fins etc. See pic on my middle shelf left
Select to expand quoteforceten said..LeeD said..
8 boards, 9'6" SUP, 2 windfoil boards, 5 windsurf boards, 5 booms, 14 sails, 2 foils with room to change inside or bike. 2 SUP paddles.
ProMaster short.
Mini Cooper Clubman, 6 boards, 6 sails , 2 booms, 3.5 masts, 2wetsuits, 2booties, 2 harness, 56 fins, 2tubs of assorted associated support bolts sandpaper etc, 1large Arctic tent, wood burning stove, kerosene cooking stove , gasoline generator, JVC stereo system, electric cooler, 12 varieties of beer, 2rum, 2 18 YO Scotch, 1/2 a steer , computer, printer, money , large bills fit in door sides, sunscreen, 7 hats, 7 board shorts, 7 tops, 22 tee shirts, 7 toothbrush, toothpaste large, medical kit, snake bite anti venom, alien abduction spray, bear repellent, fly cast rod, spinning rod, deep sea fish rod, shovel, Jack, 1 English mastiff, I Newfoundland, 1Leonberger, 1 Bouvier Des Flanders, 2 flying squirrels.
1Pvc blank, electric sander, epoxy, glass, carbon, paint, spray compressor, tape, spray gun, large painting tent. 7 railroad ties.
assortment of audio books 7, 17 music CD, towels 7, large bottle of ibuprofen, Rescue Remedy, Arnica, poison ivy cream,surgical kit, sutures knives, electric drill for tooth repair, super glue, duct tape assorted color, sail repair tape, tape to repair tape.
7 extra downhaul lines, 7 extra outhaul. 7 mast extensions. 7 Phillips head screwdrivers, 5 slotted, metic hex head wrenches, 2 adjustable wrenches, 1 right 1 left. One sky hook. Windshield washer fluid, oil 1 gallon, 1 oil filter.
large bag of peanuts, squirells. I 10 gauge shotgun, 1 300 Winchester Magnum, large skinning knife. - great reply to a serial black-catter
Yes you did a great job. I have some plastic boxes for fins.
I change fins depending on whether I'm sailing shallow flatter water or chop so not having them in the board doesn't worry me.
Should have warned you Sue. That you'd get more information than you bargained for if you launched another van thread. Was this the model hiace you test drove? Did you agree with this bloke's impressions?
Another reason that I like to leave the fins on, which I forgot, is that they prevent the boards from sliding forward if I need to slam on the brakes, and either taking me out, or the front windshield, or both. Fins and straps, for redundant safety.
Select to expand quoteIan K said..
Should have warned you Sue. That you'd get more information than you bargained for if you launched another van thread. Was this the model hiace you test drove? Did you agree with this bloke's impressions?
Logic tells me go the Hi Ace but I expect to enjoy driving the VW more..The Toyota is probably much better than the earlier version and is better value for money ( included options).
I'm only a little person and I felt like I was in a cavernous van , on a benchseat ( even though they are bucket). It's probably good for larger people.
With my Caddy I sit in it like a normal car . It's a manual and is quite sporty and fun to drive. I'll find out tomorrow when I try the transporter but I expect it to be similar.
I travel a lot to go sailing and I want to enjoy my driving. I do in the Caddy ( as much as you can enjoy driving..zzz).
I'll be in a better position to judge after tomorrow.
I'll be comparing cargo length and gearboxes. I haven't driven an auto VW and I've read there can be a lag so that could be a factor in the decision.
I liked the features in the Toyota , value for money and grunt, but I didn't really enjoy driving it. 
Keep the information coming..
Select to expand quotesboardcrazy said..
Logic tells me go the Hi Ace but I expect to enjoy driving the VW more..
That's one thing VW can't be beaten at. Ambience and ergonomics. Even though my VW van was 20 yo nothing I've driven before or since has matched it on that front. Can't put your finger on what it is though? Just is.
There's a quote i can try and remember "When you're driving your VW there's no other place you'd rather be. When your VW is in for repair you wish you were in a Toyota"
When my VW was in for repair I asked the mechanic how he found the newer T5s ? "Very nice, but you need deep pockets, much deeper than for a T4". I asked him what he drove? " a Hyundai"
Select to expand quoteIan K said..sboardcrazy said..
Logic tells me go the Hi Ace but I expect to enjoy driving the VW more..
That's one thing VW can't be beaten at. Ambience and ergonomics. Even though my VW van was 20 yo nothing I've driven before or since has matched it on that front. Can't put your finger on what it is though? Just is.
There's a quote i can try and remember "When you're driving your VW there's no other place you'd rather be. When your VW is in for repair you wish you were in a Toyota"
When my VW was in for repair I asked the mechanic how he found the newer T5s ? "Very nice, but you need deep pockets, much deeper than for a T4". I asked him what he drove? " a Hyundai"
Select to expand quoteIan K said..sboardcrazy said..
Logic tells me go the Hi Ace but I expect to enjoy driving the VW more..
That's one thing VW can't be beaten at. Ambience and ergonomics. Even though my VW van was 20 yo nothing I've driven before or since has matched it on that front. Can't put your finger on what it is though? Just is.
Diesel fumes getting into the cabin 
Don't get me started on VWs versus everything else. There was a guy at work that knew nothing about cars but insisted that German engineering is superior. Sure, they are good, but I am sure the car engineering world is very incestuous, and even the Germans build a car to a price. His ideal world would be eating Gummie Bears at Aldi and then driving a VW home.
Another colleague was trying to tell me that the tyres on my modified falcon turbo were rubbish because they would squeal on acceleration. It was only that I pointed out that they were the exact same tyre on his turbo Golf that he shut up about it. Pump enough boost through, and even good tyres squeal their heads off.
I won't mention the tailshaft that I broke, but I will blame that one on the cheap chinese aftermarket tailshaft, not true-blue Aussie Ford steel.
I was keen on a Transit when I started looking, but my mechanic advised against as they have a lot of problems. He advised Toyota, Mitsubishi and Hyundai (2nd hand) for reliability
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I was keen on a Transit when I started looking, but my mechanic advised against as they have a lot of problems. He advised Toyota, Mitsubishi and Hyundai (2nd hand) for reliability
Has anyone here got any experience with Transits? I have heard of problems, but no actual info. I had a friend that sold his and then bought a European van that had some very expensive repairs.
Maybe the Japanese have it over the others for quality?
Select to expand quoteSubsonic said..
Is that your van or your house? Or are you one of those quaint sorts that lives in their van?
House has 10 boards, only have that many fingers. Plus 1/2 and 1/8 uncompleted blanks.
afraid to count sails, umm 15-18
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..forceten said..
Mini Cooper Clubman, 6 boards, 6 sails , 2 booms, 3.5 masts, 2wetsuits, 2booties, 2 harness, 56 fins, 2tubs of assorted associated support bolts sandpaper etc, 1large Arctic tent, wood burning stove, kerosene cooking stove , gasoline generator, JVC stereo system, electric cooler, 12 varieties of beer, 2rum, 2 18 YO Scotch, 1/2 a steer , computer, printer, money , large bills fit in door sides, sunscreen, 7 hats, 7 board shorts, 7 tops, 22 tee shirts, 7 toothbrush, toothpaste large, medical kit, snake bite anti venom, alien abduction spray, bear repellent, fly cast rod, spinning rod, deep sea fish rod, shovel, Jack, 1 English mastiff, I Newfoundland, 1Leonberger, 1 Bouvier Des Flanders, 2 flying squirrels.
1Pvc blank, electric sander, epoxy, glass, carbon, paint, spray compressor, tape, spray gun, large painting tent. 7 railroad ties.
assortment of audio books 7, 17 music CD, towels 7, large bottle of ibuprofen, Rescue Remedy, Arnica, poison ivy cream,surgical kit, sutures knives, electric drill for tooth repair, super glue, duct tape assorted color, sail repair tape, tape to repair tape.
7 extra downhaul lines, 7 extra outhaul. 7 mast extensions. 7 Phillips head screwdrivers, 5 slotted, metic hex head wrenches, 2 adjustable wrenches, 1 right 1 left. One sky hook. Windshield washer fluid, oil 1 gallon, 1 oil filter.
large bag of peanuts, squirells. I 10 gauge shotgun, 1 300 Winchester Magnum, large skinning knife.
Thats just silly.
Nobody buys 10 gauge, the ammo is too expensive.
I have old stock from the 60s.
Select to expand quoteforceten said..Subsonic said..
Is that your van or your house? Or are you one of those quaint sorts that lives in their van?
House has 10 boards, only have that many fingers. Plus 1/2 and 1/8 uncompleted blanks.
afraid to count sails, umm 15-18
Man......
I thought i was bad.
Select to expand quoteolskool said..
Ok Forceten, its time for photographic evidence of the WINDSURFIN CLUBMAN.
It's like the Tardis, bigger on the inside
Took a transporter for a test drive and fell in love.. Just like the Caddy but bigger..
The Transporter is coming the end of next week .
Vw Caddy for sale - great little car..
