Select to expand quotetbwonder said..
Yes I believe the advisory panel is considering allowing certain modern Garmin watches that have multifrequency technology.
For example the Garmin 255.
Initial testing is showing that these modern watches are considerably more accurate than the older models, providing they are set up correctly.
Thanks for the update. Does the Garmin 965 fit into this category? In my activity for your datafield the option ALL+Multi-Band is available (and selected).
The current testing is being carried out on the Garmin 255. If they agree to that, then I think other models could be added as test data becomes available. Are you able to provide some comparison files from your 965 and a Motion device?
Select to expand quotetbwonder said..
The current testing is being carried out on the Garmin 255. If they agree to that, then I think other models could be added as test data becomes available. Are you able to provide some comparison files from your 965 and a Motion device?
Sorry, I am unable to provide comparison files. I've only just started sailing again after a break so just started using my 965 to record that as a SUP activity and realised it was not setup right due to weird results (KA72) like a 5X10 higher than my 2s (I had not selected 1s recording). I just installed your datafield this week (with setting recommendations in your guide), but have not used it yet. I don't have access to a Motion. Not sure when I will sail next but forecast not looking great for my holiday break in Sydney so far. I'm happy to provide files for my 965 when I use it next, but will have no approved device for comparison with it.
On another note, is there a way to associate the new activity created for the datafield as a "Windsurf" activity so Connect and Strava get the activity type correct without having to edit that? Or maybe the datafield does that already? I am just asking as I did not select an activity type when setting it up.
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..tbwonder said..
The current testing is being carried out on the Garmin 255. If they agree to that, then I think other models could be added as test data becomes available. Are you able to provide some comparison files from your 965 and a Motion device?
Sorry, I am unable to provide comparison files. I've only just started sailing again after a break so just started using my 965 to record that as a SUP activity and realised it was not setup right due to weird results (KA72) like a 5X10 higher than my 2s (I had not selected 1s recording). I just installed your datafield this week (with setting recommendations in your guide), but have not used it yet. I don't have access to a Motion. Not sure when I will sail next but forecast not looking great for my holiday break in Sydney so far. I'm happy to provide files for my 965 when I use it next, but will have no approved device for comparison with it.
On another note, is there a way to associate the new activity created for the datafield as a "Windsurf" activity so Connect and Strava get the activity type correct without having to edit that? Or maybe the datafield does that already? I am just asking as I did not select an activity type when setting it up.
The 965 has also the Airoha chipset and is more recent than the FR255, so pretty good chance is will be fully approved. For me the APPro version (-> apps.garmin.com/apps/9567700b-6587-44be-9708-879bfc844791?tid=1) is just a bit easier to install, no worries with datafields what so ever and it also selects the right activity and gps mode ....
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..
I've only just started sailing again after a break so just started using my 965 to record that as a SUP activity.
Just so as people are aware, there are only a handful of Garmin activity profiles that are suitable for speed sailing.
- Suitable activity profiles include windsurf, kiteboard and other.
- Unsuitable activity profiles include SUP, surf, sailing and boating.
The only real choice on a Forerunner is "other" because it doesn't offer windsurf or kiteboard to users. The bike activity profile may look ok for much of the time, but it implements its own unique filtering, related to walk / cycle detection.
You can change the activity type in Garmin Connect, but it doesn't change the underlying data. Apps can use the full list of activity profiles, including windsurf and kiteboard, even if the watch itself does not offer them to the user.
Regarding Strava, it ignores Doppler speeds and calculates speeds from the positional data. As such, speeds are Strava should not be trusted, even for the Airoha-based watches. Strava is best thought of as a diary with a nice colorful map, but untrustworthy for speeds.
So what is the story with APPro? Is that preferred for GPSTC? I went with the tbwonder's app as I saw it here and wanted to support the local developer. I am happy to go with the preferred approach.
I have been using Strava for 14 years and have over 4500 activities in that time (~100,000kms). I have a record of all my fitness history in Strava. I cycle, run, walk, swim and windsurf in Strava and it is great for recording that and finding it later. I agree it may not be ideal for windsurfing recording of accurate speeds, but it is great for everything else. It is no problem to manually select the activity to be Windsurf, but it is just something that is done automatically for all my other activities. Of course this is an issue with the Garmin Forerunner series watches not being officially supported for high impact water sports so they do not provide Windsurf as an activity type which is unfortuante... but I guess the clue is in the name!! :-)
As of now I am banned from GPSTC anyway as I had no compatible device to use, so used my incompatible device and got banned. But if the 965 becomes compatible, I would like to be involved again.
Select to expand quotevosadrian said..
So what is the story with APPro? Is that preferred for GPSTC? I went with the tbwonder's app as I saw it here and wanted to support the local developer. I am happy to go with the preferred approach.
I have been using Strava for 14 years and have over 4500 activities in that time (~100,000kms). I have a record of all my fitness history in Strava. I cycle, run, walk, swim and windsurf in Strava and it is great for recording that and finding it later. I agree it may not be ideal for windsurfing recording of accurate speeds, but it is great for everything else. It is no problem to manually select the activity to be Windsurf, but it is just something that is done automatically for all my other activities. Of course this is an issue with the Garmin Forerunner series watches not being officially supported for high impact water sports so they do not provide Windsurf as an activity type which is unfortuante... but I guess the clue is in the name!! :-)
As of now I am banned from GPSTC anyway as I had no compatible device to use, so used my incompatible device and got banned. But if the 965 becomes compatible, I would like to be involved again.
I expect both App's will be approved by GPTSC, GP3S already did for APPro, based on the info i have they both produce the requirement data in the .FIT files, the advantage i see for APpro is an easier setup and no need to manually install data fields or activity fields. And far as i know Appro has been developed by an Aussie too :)
At the moment, the big advantage of the data field is it's big display of current speed.
It's the best on the water feedback I've seen. Wearing the watch underhand, it's just a few degrees down from your line of sight.
There are pros and cons of APPro and GPSTC, so I like them both in different ways.
APPro Windsurf is super-easy to install and has all of the categories for GPS-Speedsurfing (30 + 60 mins coming soon), so it's awesome in that respect. Scott (APPro) has been super-receptive to feedback and suggestions, and it is still being improved.
GPSTC V4 is trickier to install and set up, but it provides excellent real-time feedback, and the large font is particularly easy to read. Andrew (TBWonder) has made it particularly well suited to GPSTC, and he is very active within the community.
We are lucky to have APPro and GPSTC available. Some people might even have two watches and run both.
