Select to expand quoteGonebush said..seabreezer said..
Just a general point / pet pieve - in post above and always hearing this POV down the beach / on forums - classic comments re wavesails HAVING to go neutral to be a true wavesail and waveride with - ........ in my experience is a total myth ... Body positioning and how you move the hands / sail MORE determine if a sail goes ' neutral' off the top - or even needs to go neutral more to the point ! .... Its all in the body language and skills learnt ... Ive got another brands sail - that has lots of preshape and defo not a classic ON/OFF power delivery - yet I can throw it into exactly the same turns etc as my other sails - and in some ways you can make that board turn BETTER with that steady power - once you know how to exploit it / where to park it / what to do with the body positioning to pre-empt it . Its all about techniques and setting up any body & sail placements with 'pre' move techniques ....
You are easily peeved if that annoys you!
However, I admit that my technique is a bit poor and I also tend to wave sail fully powered or overpowered (I'm not really into slog and ride) so both of those things mean I am probably not creating the optimal set-up for DTL sailing.
easily peeved ? .... My wife might agree haha
The whole 'nuetral' thing is something Ive heard thrown about mostly to do with ezzy sails ( I dont ride Ezzy ) , but having listened to it for years - and after jumping on some other brands 'power' wavesails and membranes - Ive realised its a bit anti brand BS .... For example - Ive found there's sails that go toooo neutral off the top (think very soft sails etc ) - I used them for some years .... great for cranking a turn - but that nuetrality can also suddenly make them feel heavy when the lack of battens are not providing glide and drive into your next turn /ie pre shape suddenly disappears and you feel the whole (non aerated / non inflated) arc of the sail weighing down - especially if theyre not built light .. - so its all horses for courses imo
If you want to see how style and power influences change in sail design - look at the severne S1 ..... years ago was a high clew 'uplift' style sail and very on/off - for helping jaegar rip takas and new school moves - (and he consequently had to ride his boom super low to get enough power 'downforce' into his turns - ie spray ) ... these days the s1 has transitioned into a downforce sail with lower clew - to really help exploit power turns / throw better spray off the top / engage fins and rail more ( and now Jaegar rides a normal boom height) ...
Select to expand quoteThe whole 'nuetral' thing is something Ive heard thrown about mostly to do with ezzy sails ( I dont ride Ezzy ) , but having listened to it for years - and after jumping on some other brands 'power' wavesails and membranes - Ive realised its a bit anti brand BS .... For example - Ive found there's sails that go toooo neutral off the top (think very soft sails etc ) - I used them for some years .... great for cranking a turn - but that nuetrality can also suddenly make them feel heavy when the lack of battens are not providing glide and drive into your next turn /ie pre shape suddenly disappears and you feel the whole (non aerated / non inflated) arc of the sail weighing down - especially if theyre not built light .. - so its all horses for courses imo
I guess the reason Ezzy use the language (neutral) is because in my experience (I've had the Taka 2,3,4 and now the 2020 version), it is an accurate description of how the sail feels in transitions and in turns on the wave in DTL conditions - and they are very different to the "soft" sails you describe experiencing in the past that "feel heavy when the lack of battens are not providing glide and drive into your next turn /ie pre shape suddenly disappears and you feel the whole (non aerated / non inflated) arc of the sail weighing down.....". It's quite the opposite, I find that the Taka never feels heavy in the hands and it is extremely responsive between being neutral and having power on tap, which is what makes them so different - providing power, glide and drive into your next turn after have that awesome free feeling of it being in that neutral state.
But I do agree, they are not for everyone (horses for courses), as with everything windsurfing it's all personal preference as to what you like the feel of and get on well with. Like I said before, not better or worse, just different.
If you sail cross off DTL conditions then I highly recommend giving the latest version of the Taka a go if you get the opportunity, to truly understand what they are talking about.... then feel free to call it a myth, or BS if that is your experience 
Select to expand quoteTallboy said..
Really nice Video of Kevin Pritchard on the new Ezzy sails in Pacasmayo
Great vid for showing groveling/slogging and wave riding skills, not so sure about how that sail helped much though.
This coming from a hard core Ezzy fan, me.
Select to expand quotedrdick said..
ezzy wave 5.5, goya quad 89 2020 and 60 year old grom.
Dick frothing at the point. Nice cuttie Dick. Cheers Jens
Select to expand quoteJens said..drdick said..
ezzy wave 5.5, goya quad 89 2020 and 60 year old grom.
Dick frothing at the point. Nice cuttie Dick. Cheers Jens
"Dick frothing"??!! A short course of antibiotics should sort that out.
Nice photos and wave-sailing. I hope I can do that at 60.
Select to expand quoteMastbender said..Tallboy said..
Really nice Video of Kevin Pritchard on the new Ezzy sails in Pacasmayo
Great vid for showing groveling/slogging and wave riding skills, not so sure about how that sail helped much though.
This coming from a hard core Ezzy fan, me.
I agree. Even the music was lame.
Nice waves and DTL sailing though.
Select to expand quoteMastbender said..Tallboy said..
Really nice Video of Kevin Pritchard on the new Ezzy sails in Pacasmayo
Great vid for showing groveling/slogging and wave riding skills, not so sure about how that sail helped much though.
This coming from a hard core Ezzy fan, me.
That wave looks amazing!!! Gear looks like it went great in those very light wind conditions - the advertised bottom end wind range put to good use!!!
Just got my new Ezzy wave 5.5, big fan, feels lighter in the hand than my elites. Beautiful looking sail, big fan so far ??
Select to expand quoteShlogger said..
Great wave, great sailor, great gear, music made me grate my teeth. ??
The story as to why I chose that song for the video began on my last day in Peru as I was getting a lift to the airport in a taxi and the radio was on. The first song that played was Midnight Oil which was weird sitting in traffic in Lima and then the second song came on (the one in the Ezzy video) and I thought it was catchy and asked the driver who it was. He said they were called 'Soda Stereo' and they were very popular in South America. I said I had never heard of them and when I got home, found the song and thought I'll use that for the video.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_Stereo
Just thought I'd also add I wanted to find a classic Peruvian song for the Ezzy video and asked a local what was the most popular Peruvian song.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..Shlogger said..
Great wave, great sailor, great gear, music made me grate my teeth. ??
The story as to why I chose that song for the video began on my last day in Peru as I was getting a lift to the airport in a taxi and the radio was on. The first song that played was Midnight Oil which was weird sitting in traffic in Lima and then the second song came on (the one in the Ezzy video) and I thought it was catchy and asked the driver who it was. He said they were called 'Soda Stereo' and they were very popular in South America. I said I had never heard of them and when I got home, found the song and thought I'll use that for the video.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_Stereo
Just thought I'd also add I wanted to find a classic Peruvian song for the Ezzy video and asked a local what was the most popular Peruvian song. Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..Shlogger said..
Great wave, great sailor, great gear, music made me grate my teeth. ??
The story as to why I chose that song for the video began on my last day in Peru as I was getting a lift to the airport in a taxi and the radio was on. The first song that played was Midnight Oil which was weird sitting in traffic in Lima and then the second song came on (the one in the Ezzy video) and I thought it was catchy and asked the driver who it was. He said they were called 'Soda Stereo' and they were very popular in South America. I said I had never heard of them and when I got home, found the song and thought I'll use that for the video.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_Stereo
Just thought I'd also add I wanted to find a classic Peruvian song for the Ezzy video and asked a local what was the most popular Peruvian song.
Catchy...but ohhhh the cheese factor.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..Shlogger said..
Great wave, great sailor, great gear, music made me grate my teeth. ??
The story as to why I chose that song for the video began on my last day in Peru as I was getting a lift to the airport in a taxi and the radio was on. The first song that played was Midnight Oil which was weird sitting in traffic in Lima and then the second song came on (the one in the Ezzy video) and I thought it was catchy and asked the driver who it was. He said they were called 'Soda Stereo' and they were very popular in South America. I said I had never heard of them and when I got home, found the song and thought I'll use that for the video.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soda_Stereo
Just thought I'd also add I wanted to find a classic Peruvian song for the Ezzy video and asked a local what was the most popular Peruvian song.
Now that works. ;)
Had a few more sessions on the new Ezzy Waves (4.2 and 4.7) and I have to say I am really liking them. Nice and light in the hands, lots of bottom end grunt, but still really balanced and well behaved at the top end - massive tuning rang - which means a quick tweak on the beach can keep you on the water longer without having to change sails as often, I also get away with one less sail in my quiver than I use to.
The main difference in feel between the 2020 Taka and the Wave is how the Taka can go completely neutral in transitions and turns, where the Wave has more of a constant feeling of power in the sail, pretty similar to last years Elites, but lighter and more of a crisp, direct feeling - which just makes things happen a little quicker and gets going faster than the Elites. The Wave's are also a bit nicer in handling really gusty conditions and I'd pick Taka's for more consistent wind and classic down the line sailing - the light, free, surfy feeling of the Taka's is pretty awesome and in my opinion hard to beat for those conditions. All in all I'm really stoked with the combination of having the 5.3 Taka for my light wind DTL sail and the 4.2, 4.7 Waves for the gustier/stronger wind days.
Select to expand quotebigdaz said..
Had a few more sessions on the new Ezzy Waves (4.2 and 4.7) and I have to say I am really liking them. Nice and light in the hands, lots of bottom end grunt, but still really balanced and well behaved at the top end - massive tuning rang - which means a quick tweak on the beach can keep you on the water longer without having to change sails as often, I also get away with one less sail in my quiver than I use to.
The main difference in feel between the 2020 Taka and the Wave is how the Taka can go completely neutral in transitions and turns, where the Wave has more of a constant feeling of power in the sail, pretty similar to last years Elites, but lighter and more of a crisp, direct feeling - which just makes things happen a little quicker and gets going faster than the Elites. The Wave's are also a bit nicer in handling really gusty conditions and I'd pick Taka's for more consistent wind and classic down the line sailing - the light, free, surfy feeling of the Taka's is pretty awesome and in my opinion hard to beat for those conditions. All in all I'm really stoked with the combination of having the 5.3 Taka for my light wind DTL sail and the 4.2, 4.7 Waves for the gustier/stronger wind days.
Hi bigdaz Having the Taka 5 i am so impressed with that sail even in onshore so stable huge range pulls forward drive acceleration Comparing it to blade pro which suits another power sail category The blade pro force center is further back it is lighter(small difference rig it with 100) it has great drive and maneuverability acceleration but wind range is normal not that big. What about the taka 6 and the new wave in comparison to the taka 5 and elite
thanks
Select to expand quoteSnapfigure said..bigdaz said..
Had a few more sessions on the new Ezzy Waves (4.2 and 4.7) and I have to say I am really liking them. Nice and light in the hands, lots of bottom end grunt, but still really balanced and well behaved at the top end - massive tuning rang - which means a quick tweak on the beach can keep you on the water longer without having to change sails as often, I also get away with one less sail in my quiver than I use to.
The main difference in feel between the 2020 Taka and the Wave is how the Taka can go completely neutral in transitions and turns, where the Wave has more of a constant feeling of power in the sail, pretty similar to last years Elites, but lighter and more of a crisp, direct feeling - which just makes things happen a little quicker and gets going faster than the Elites. The Wave's are also a bit nicer in handling really gusty conditions and I'd pick Taka's for more consistent wind and classic down the line sailing - the light, free, surfy feeling of the Taka's is pretty awesome and in my opinion hard to beat for those conditions. All in all I'm really stoked with the combination of having the 5.3 Taka for my light wind DTL sail and the 4.2, 4.7 Waves for the gustier/stronger wind days.
Hi bigdaz Having the Taka 5 i am so impressed with that sail even in onshore so stable huge range pulls forward drive acceleration Comparing it to blade pro which suits another power sail category The blade pro force center is further back it is lighter(small difference rig it with 100) it has great drive and maneuverability acceleration but wind range is normal not that big. What about the taka 6 and the new wave in comparison to the taka 5 and elite
thanks
The main difference is the weight and new window material. These two changes give the sails a crisper feeling and lighter in the hands and also translates to earlier planing. Great improvements on two already excellent sails - I highly recommend them 
Thanks Taka is maybe the only sail that i was so impressed by the first use.
Other than sail characteristics i want to mention a couple of things 1. After a long session trying to fit your blade pro sail to a tight bag i cant understand the reason for that 2. numbering the mast and sail for easy rigging (like boom height) Details are pretty underlined with Ezzy
I prefer tight bags to loose ones but most bags are loose. A sail may dry faster in a loose bag but who cares about that?
Tight bags are better for transport and less chance of sail creasing. It's easy enough to roll a sail sufficiently tightly. You just flatten the luff as you go so it doesn't double up, and pull the core of the roll clewwards as you roll it.
I own a taka3, Elite 2019 and Ezzy Wave 2020.
Not sure I like better the 2020 Ezzy Wave, I think they just sail differently.
Unfortunately there is not much wind where I sail and the covid made me miss a few trips....so I mainly used it in foil and one 30 min freestyle session.
The Ezzy Wave got more range, a lot more grunt at low end and the profile kind'a stay locked in(I'm not fan of this)......so I guess it might link more powerful buttom/top turns? But did not test it in wave yet.
so I might prefer my Elite 2019, but would need a few runs in waves.
Just tried the ezzy wave vs the panther 3 back to back...fee the the ezzy wave is sooo much lighter and livelier!!! Yes gear improves over the years!
Select to expand quoteNordRoi said..
I own a taka3, Elite 2019 and Ezzy Wave 2020.
Not sure I like better the 2020 Ezzy Wave, I think they just sail differently.
Unfortunately there is not much wind where I sail and the covid made me miss a few trips....so I mainly used it in foil and one 30 min freestyle session.
The Ezzy Wave got more range, a lot more grunt at low end and the profile kind'a stay locked in(I'm not fan of this)......so I guess it might link more powerful buttom/top turns? But did not test it in wave yet.
so I might prefer my Elite 2019, but would need a few runs in waves.
I'm just the opposide, I bought a taka 2 5'3 and sold it 6 months later cause I never got used to that soft on-off feeling.
I think Ezzy should add clearly in their sail features if they are true bellied ones or more neutral.
