Select to expand quoteRichardG said..Grantmac said..
Like I said: drive in straight lines.
That isn't what anyone who actually wavesails would consider wavesailing.
I'm not sure why you are pushing the LT on this when it's clearly not suitable. Almost any other freeride windsurfing board would be better.
I never pushed the LT simply stated facts please indicate expressly where I have said something inaccurate I note you did not answer my question and I note you keep pushing freeride windsurfing boards which are neither wave oriented nor longboards. I simply answered a question from plywoodboy.
The title of the thread includes the words "wave oriented" so please let's keep it on topic.
lots of people that own Lt's are using them in the surf. wavesailing, surfing, supping.
i get the point about wave oriented but you'd be surprised how all-round it is.
I watched that vid and just though what a pest in the surf. There's a time a place for windsurfing and that didn't look like to me? Cause you can doesn't always mean you should
Select to expand quoteDunkO said..
I watched that vid and just though what a pest in the surf. There's a time a place for windsurfing and that didn't look like to me? Cause you can doesn't always mean you should
There was a time at a byron point break where a dedicated lt sailor took off left down the line of a right and ended up entangled with a log going the right way.
Talk about causing trouble. Lucky he wasnt on a foil.. 
Select to expand quoteGestalt said..DunkO said..
I watched that vid and just though what a pest in the surf. There's a time a place for windsurfing and that didn't look like to me? Cause you can doesn't always mean you should
There was a time at a byron point break where a dedicated lt sailor took off left down the line of a right and ended up entangled with a log going the right way.
Talk about causing trouble. Lucky he wasnt on a foil..
If he'd been on a board that could actually turn he would have just taken a cutback. Anything as unwieldy as the LT doesn't belong around surfers.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..Gestalt said..DunkO said..
I watched that vid and just though what a pest in the surf. There's a time a place for windsurfing and that didn't look like to me? Cause you can doesn't always mean you should
There was a time at a byron point break where a dedicated lt sailor took off left down the line of a right and ended up entangled with a log going the right way.
Talk about causing trouble. Lucky he wasnt on a foil..
If he'd been on a board that could actually turn he would have just taken a cutback. Anything as unwieldy as the LT doesn't belong around surfers.
he was already heading towards the peak.
Some good demonstrations of the section connector glide master "Skip Frye" potential of the LT when used as a surfboard. A great knee paddler too. Any videos of other boards mentioned here in surfboard mode ? A compromise shape for sure, not purely wave oriented although the original Windsurfer was based on Malibu boards. Turning is possible using skills of cross stepping and walking the board, pivoting off the fin and rails. It is fair to say all around potential. Exocet has the LT in its range and it has been said to be one of its best sellers. It would be great to see how the board performs in the hands of riders like Joel Tudor, Alex Knost or CJ Nelson. Maybe someone at Byron could hand one to Tom Wegener, Rasta or Beau Young. An event at the Noosa Festival of Surfing: perhaps a one design surf contest !
You keep posting videos of boards going in a straight line, do you even know what wavesailing looks like?
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
You keep posting videos of boards going in a straight line, do you even know what wavesailing looks like?
guessing it looks different to all.
These are my thoughts having had a go at these options in the waves:
SUP with sail: I don't like it. Too much tail rocker and drag.
Kona 10.5: I have sailed this board a lot and will be completely shattered when it finally dies and I can't get a replacement. I use it when the wind is light and/or fluky or the wave lacks a bit of power, The glide from the length is the key to picking up waves early or in the wrong spot, then having enough speed to get to the peak. Bottoms turns and top turns are fun, but graceful rather than aggressive. The key is foot placement and moving your weight around. The step tail allows planing in the same wind as a regular short board, if not a bit earlier (for the same size sail). They are fast on the plane. They are the windsurfing equivalent of a mal to surfing I suppose. And fun for the same reasons.
P.S. The TT construction is very light weight for size, and light weight is a game changer for longboards in the surf. Not all Kona's are TT from what I can tell?
Windsurfer LT. I have bottom turned and top turned my LT in stormies, using techniques I learnt from the Kona. More a proof of concept thing for me, others may differ. Maybe OK for a fun session in small uncrowded waves when you don't have any other gear handy. The rig I think would be confetti if you dropped it in front on any sizeable wave.
P.S. Profile pic is a Kona One from years ago. Good times ha ha.
lucky enough to have picked up 4 of the kona's second hand about a decade ago. I did quite a bit of flat water blasting on the 11.5 (pre-foiling) and I also got into sup surfing on it. The 10.5 and the kona surf got a bit of use from my kids. The minitanker (aka my security blanket) has had a couple of sessions in "waves"
That Minitanker looks like a weapon kind of like the FSW equivalent of a longboard if you'd consider the Sealion as the pure waveboard of longboards.
At 65cm do you find it challenging to uphaul in chop? 66-68cm seems to be my personal stability limit for a reliable uphaul unless it's a raceboard.
Select to expand quotephiln said..
No daggerboard but because of the long waterline of the Exocet it slogs upwind really well. The Kode is similar to any other short board (ie not as good).
Hi Philn
I guess the 10'5" was so good on onshore conditions because of planning performance. An exocet windsup, wider, would not get planning so easy so the only advantage against a regular short waveboard in on shore conditions is the upwind performance. It would also be easier to uphaul in choppy conditions than the 10'5". Would it be enough to justify buying it instead of a big regular waveboard?
fortunate enough to have used majority of the boards being discussed and agree for onshore lightwind days longer boards are better. so is a much flatter rocker.
uphauling for me is more about volume. i have a 71 wide 125lt board that i struggle to uphaul unless it's flat water and a 66 wide 135lt board i can uphaul in small surf. also have a 9'8" x 33" wave sup that's easy to uphaul too. longboards also easy to uphaul.
one of my mates uses both the LT and the Kona's in small surf. whilst he prefers the Kona's for surf he uses the LT without complaint.
horses for courses. both good in different waves. one surfs like a log and the other is more like a funboard.
neither are like shortboards. guess thats why we have so many options.
also don't agree that sups don't plane. maybe that's another option. especially the older models. i have some older fanatics that are great. my custom sup doesn't plane so good but the shaper has a ducktail version that planes.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
That Minitanker looks like a weapon kind of like the FSW equivalent of a longboard if you'd consider the Sealion as the pure waveboard of longboards.
At 65cm do you find it challenging to uphaul in chop? 66-68cm seems to be my personal stability limit for a reliable uphaul unless it's a raceboard.
Easier to uphaul than my actual wave board 95L, but I am a much better water starter than uphauler
@Mucel wrote: "I doubt if Exocet windsup 10'2" would have the right rocker."
10'2" Exocet Windsup can plane, but it takes 14mph wind or so, which is more than the Exocet X-Longboard needs. Personally, I prefer having the rocker though, since it turns great on a wave as a result. I use it in very light wind, like under 12 mph. If it's windier, then I'm on my Dyno 125L or smaller.
