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One of my customers just brought his new baby into work, she is only a few months old, still got the baby blue eye's checking everything out and grinning at everyone. How anyone can think they are not the most precious things in the world beats me, if they don't deserve our protection nothing does. IMO
Ugh, keep that disease vector away from me. I miss the old days when children might be seen but never heard.
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One of my customers just brought his new baby into work, she is only a few months old, still got the baby blue eye's checking everything out and grinning at everyone. How anyone can think they are not the most precious things in the world beats me, if they don't deserve our protection nothing does. IMO
Beats most of us, but it depends on where they were born and your political ideology.
The IDF have targets on them if they are in Gaza. The state of Israel with the backing of Joe Biden continue to murder and mame thousands of them.
Beats me why the Israelie people cowardly sit by and watch this unfold, rather than demand an end to this insanity. Especially after telling the rest of us for decades: "Never Again"
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One of my customers just brought his new baby into work, she is only a few months old, still got the baby blue eye's checking everything out and grinning at everyone. How anyone can think they are not the most precious things in the world beats me, if they don't deserve our protection nothing does. IMO
Beats most of us, but it depends on where they were born and your political ideology.
The IDF have targets on them if they are in Gaza. The state of Israel with the backing of Joe Biden continue to murder and mame thousands of them.
Beats me why the Israelie people cowardly sit by and watch this unfold, rather than demand an end to this insanity. Especially after telling the rest of us for decades: "Never Again"
If you want to look a little deeper than the ABC you will realise the real coward in this conflict is the Iranian regime that is readily willing to sacrifice the Palestinian people in order to ensure there is no peace in the middle east. Those Abraham accords are not what Iran want, a chance of real peace.
Iran fund Hamas and direct Hamas to do their biding. Hamas attacked Israel 6 months ago when they crossed the border and raped and tortured and killed and kidnapped civilians who they targeted. They filmed it all and celebrated it and promised to do it again, its a matter of public record.
Then they ran back to Gaza and hid underground, under kindergartens, under schools, under hospitals, its from these locations they engage the IDF. They don't stand between the population and the IDF, the Ukraine army stand out in front to protect the population, Hamas hide behind the population and use them (the children in your pictures) as shields. They still hold hostages (women and children included) that they will not release. Its a horrific situation, Hamas are responsible for the entire sh^t show.
Hamas conducted themselves in such a barbaric manner that it ensured Israel would retaliate hard. Why would you bring that wrath down upon your population on purpose. The entire world knew Israel would be left with no choice but to defend itself. Hamas provoked this on purpose. What is happening to the Palestinian people is a deliberate act of Hamas and its puppet master Iran.
BTW pretty sure there would be no clinics in Gaza where you could get an abortion. There is only one liberal democracy in the entire region that supports womens rights, LGBTQ rights etc etc, if you think they are the enemy you are squarely on the wrong side of this conflict.
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If you want to look a little deeper than the ABC you will realise the real coward in this conflict is the Iranian regime that is readily willing to sacrifice the Palestinian people in order to ensure there is no peace in the middle east. Those Abraham accords are not what Iran want, a chance of real peace.
Iran fund Hamas and direct Hamas to do their biding. Hamas attacked Israel 6 months ago when they crossed the border and raped and tortured and killed and kidnapped civilians who they targeted. They filmed it all and celebrated it, its a matter of public record.
Then they ran back to Gaza and hid underground, under kindergartens, under schools, under hospitals, its from these locations they engage the IDF. They don't stand between the population and the IDF, the Ukraine army stand out in front to protect the population, Hamas hide behind the population and use them (the children in your pictures) as shields. They still hold hostages (women and children included) that they will not release. Its a horrific situation, Hamas are responsible for the entire sh^t show.
Hamas conducted themselves in such a barbaric manner that it ensured Israel would retaliate hard. Why would you bring that wrath down upon your population on purpose. The entire world knew Israel would be left with no choice but to defend itself. Hamas provoked this on purpose. What is happening to the Palestinian people is a deliberate act of Hamas and its puppet master Iran.
BTW pretty sure there would be no clinics in Gaza where you could get an abortion. There is only one progressive democracy in the entire region that supports womens rights, LGBTQ rights etc etc, if you think they are the enemy you are squarely on the wrong side of this conflict.
Your moral compas needs calibration.
I don't need to look deeper, to understand the difference between right and wrong.
This genocide in Gaza is an absolute disgrace, and needs to stop, regardless of who you believe is to blame.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
If you want to look a little deeper than the ABC you will realise the real coward in this conflict is the Iranian regime that is readily willing to sacrifice the Palestinian people in order to ensure there is no peace in the middle east. Those Abraham accords are not what Iran want, a chance of real peace.
Iran fund Hamas and direct Hamas to do their biding. Hamas attacked Israel 6 months ago when they crossed the border and raped and tortured and killed and kidnapped civilians who they targeted. They filmed it all and celebrated it, its a matter of public record.
Then they ran back to Gaza and hid underground, under kindergartens, under schools, under hospitals, its from these locations they engage the IDF. They don't stand between the population and the IDF, the Ukraine army stand out in front to protect the population, Hamas hide behind the population and use them (the children in your pictures) as shields. They still hold hostages (women and children included) that they will not release. Its a horrific situation, Hamas are responsible for the entire sh^t show.
Hamas conducted themselves in such a barbaric manner that it ensured Israel would retaliate hard. Why would you bring that wrath down upon your population on purpose. The entire world knew Israel would be left with no choice but to defend itself. Hamas provoked this on purpose. What is happening to the Palestinian people is a deliberate act of Hamas and its puppet master Iran.
BTW pretty sure there would be no clinics in Gaza where you could get an abortion. There is only one progressive democracy in the entire region that supports womens rights, LGBTQ rights etc etc, if you think they are the enemy you are squarely on the wrong side of this conflict.
Your moral compas needs calibration.
I don't need to look deeper, to understand the difference between right and wrong.
This genocide in Gaza is an absolute disgrace, and needs to stop, regardless of who you believe is to blame.
I think you do need to look deeper to try an understand the world around you.
I agree it does need stop, Hamas need to surrender and return the hostages.
We all know if Hamas dropped their weapons and surrendered the war would be over, no more Palestinian children would be hurt.
We also know if Israel dropped their weapons every Jew in Israel, Men, Women and Children would be killed or forced to flee.
"From the River to the Sea" is not referring to a holiday
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I think you do need to look deeper to try an understand the world around you.
I agree it does need stop, Hamas need to surrender.
We all know if Hamas dropped their weapons and surrendered the war would be over, no more Palestinian children would be hurt.
We also know if Israel dropped their weapons every Jew in Israel, Men, Women and Children would be killed or forced to flee.
Hamas is gaining popularity everyday. Israel is as deluded as you are if they think, they will be safe after they end this genocide. I refuse to debate, or even take a guess, as to who is to blame in this conflict, It's way more complex than your simplistic narrative.
Genocide is not just about a population, it's an attack against humanity in itself.
www.instagram.com/islam.for.mankind/reel/C0a-a1CvZ0Y/
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Hamas is gaining popularity everyday. Israel is as deluded as you are if they think, they will be safe after they end this genocide.
Do you want it to stop or not, I think you just agreed with my last point. It wont stop while Hamas still exist.
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Hamas is gaining popularity everyday. Israel is as deluded as you are if they think, they will be safe after they end this genocide. I refuse to debate, or even take a guess, as to who is to blame in this conflict, It's way more complex than your simplistic narrative.
That's the problem. If Hamas are becoming popular its because they are telling the people that they are winning and that this fight is just. Instead, they are leading the people to fight an unwinnable war.
The reason for Hamas to exist is to create a fight. Sadly, stupid or naive people will believe this is a good idea and can somehow result in a good solution.
The way I see it:
Option A: Live with Israel and coexist peacefully.
Option B: Fight with Israel and live your life in fear.
Aren't we lucky. Arguing about issues with our society that don't really matter that much and whether we were forced to get a needle to try and keep us alive.
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Do you want it to stop or not, I think you just agreed with my last point. It wont stop while Hamas still exist.
I think you are talking in semantics again. You did the same thing some posts back: baby vrs fetus. Arguing a pathetic and minority held viewpoint. Baby vrs fetus - war vrs genocide. There's a difference. Your average Joe understands.
The conflict between Israel and Hamas will not be solved quickly. Even if the IDF kills every single person in Gaza and turns the entire territory into a parking lot, Hamas will continue to pose a bigger threat to Israel than it was pre 7 October. Israel won't be safe.
What has to stop now is the genocide of the Gazan people. I don't understand why the Israelis don't demand an end to this insanity immediately.
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Do you want it to stop or not, I think you just agreed with my last point. It wont stop while Hamas still exist.
I think you are talking in semantics again. You did the same thing some posts back: baby vrs fetus. Arguing a pathetic and minority held viewpoint. This time it's conflict vrs genocide. There's a difference.
The conflict between Israel and Hamas will not be solved quickly. Even if the IDF kills every single person in Gaza and turns the entire territory into a parking lot, Hamas will continue to pose a bigger threat to Israel than it was pre 7 October.
What has to stop now is the genocide of the Gazan people. I don't understand why the Israelis don't demand an end to this insanity immediately.
You must have spent a lot of time in the middle east to o understand so much about it.
For me who's never been past Dubai, I saw the news that one side attacks other for some reason, retaliation is with indiscriminate bombing. A call for an end to the indiscriminate bombing is made. Next week I see IDF soldiers on the ground in Gaza hunting humans individually. Sounds like the request was heard.
They're neighbours, they can smoosh each other all they want, the world is better off without either side.
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You must have spent a lot of time in the middle east to o understand so much about it.
For me who's never been past Dubai, I saw the news that one side attacks other for some reason, retaliation is with indiscriminate bombing. A call for an end to the indiscriminate bombing is made. Next week I see IDF soldiers on the ground in Gaza hunting humans individually. Sounds like the request was heard.
They're neighbours, they can smoosh each other all they want, the world is better off without either side.
Forced vasectomies on all males in the middle east might solve it in a generation.
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Forced vasectomies on all males in the middle east might solve it in a generation.
Just did a quote in case you run out of space for green thumbs
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Hamas is gaining popularity everyday. Israel is as deluded as you are if they think, they will be safe after they end this genocide. I refuse to debate, or even take a guess, as to who is to blame in this conflict, It's way more complex than your simplistic narrative.
That's the problem. If Hamas are becoming popular its because they are telling the people that they are winning and that this fight is just. Instead, they are leading the people to fight an unwinnable war.
The reason for Hamas to exist is to create a fight. Sadly, stupid or naive people will believe this is a good idea and can somehow result in a good solution.
The way I see it:
Option A: Live with Israel and coexist peacefully.
Option B: Fight with Israel and live your life in fear.
Aren't we lucky. Arguing about issues with our society that don't really matter that much and whether we were forced to get a needle to try and keep us alive.
Bit scary, I agree with you 
Select to expand quotecammd said..FormulaNova said..myscreenname said..
Hamas is gaining popularity everyday. Israel is as deluded as you are if they think, they will be safe after they end this genocide. I refuse to debate, or even take a guess, as to who is to blame in this conflict, It's way more complex than your simplistic narrative.
That's the problem. If Hamas are becoming popular its because they are telling the people that they are winning and that this fight is just. Instead, they are leading the people to fight an unwinnable war.
The reason for Hamas to exist is to create a fight. Sadly, stupid or naive people will believe this is a good idea and can somehow result in a good solution.
The way I see it:
Option A: Live with Israel and coexist peacefully.
Option B: Fight with Israel and live your life in fear.
Aren't we lucky. Arguing about issues with our society that don't really matter that much and whether we were forced to get a needle to try and keep us alive.
Bit scary, I agree with you
No you don't!
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You must have spent a lot of time in the middle east to o understand so much about it.
For me who's never been past Dubai, I saw the news that one side attacks other for some reason, retaliation is with indiscriminate bombing. A call for an end to the indiscriminate bombing is made. Next week I see IDF soldiers on the ground in Gaza hunting humans individually. Sounds like the request was heard.
They're neighbours, they can smoosh each other all they want, the world is better off without either side.
Forced vasectomies on all males in the middle east might solve it in a generation.
Nah, then the people that were safely living in France/Germany/somewhere else will rise up and demand justice for something that didn't happen to them personally, and then start the thing all over again.
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The way I see it:
Option A: Live with Israel and coexist peacefully.
Option B: Fight with Israel and live your life in fear.
The people of Palestinian, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Libya and many other countries, particularly in the Arab and Muslim world are raised to believe the exact opposite. Israelis will continue to live in fear.
The genocide the IDF is committing in Gaza is not going to help Israel feel safe.
I've no dog in this show, but I did fInd Fareed Zakaria (a Muslim journalist living in the USA) interesting. The part about Gaza is towards the end of the podcast. However the whole podcast is fascinating so give it a listen anyway.
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/freakonomics-radio/id354668519?i=1000651349773
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
If you want to look a little deeper than the ABC you will realise the real coward in this conflict is the Iranian regime that is readily willing to sacrifice the Palestinian people in order to ensure there is no peace in the middle east. Those Abraham accords are not what Iran want, a chance of real peace.
Iran fund Hamas and direct Hamas to do their biding. Hamas attacked Israel 6 months ago when they crossed the border and raped and tortured and killed and kidnapped civilians who they targeted. They filmed it all and celebrated it, its a matter of public record.
Then they ran back to Gaza and hid underground, under kindergartens, under schools, under hospitals, its from these locations they engage the IDF. They don't stand between the population and the IDF, the Ukraine army stand out in front to protect the population, Hamas hide behind the population and use them (the children in your pictures) as shields. They still hold hostages (women and children included) that they will not release. Its a horrific situation, Hamas are responsible for the entire sh^t show.
Hamas conducted themselves in such a barbaric manner that it ensured Israel would retaliate hard. Why would you bring that wrath down upon your population on purpose. The entire world knew Israel would be left with no choice but to defend itself. Hamas provoked this on purpose. What is happening to the Palestinian people is a deliberate act of Hamas and its puppet master Iran.
BTW pretty sure there would be no clinics in Gaza where you could get an abortion. There is only one progressive democracy in the entire region that supports womens rights, LGBTQ rights etc etc, if you think they are the enemy you are squarely on the wrong side of this conflict.
Your moral compas needs calibration.
I don't need to look deeper, to understand the difference between right and wrong.
This genocide in Gaza is an absolute disgrace, and needs to stop, regardless of who you believe is to blame.
It's not just an absolute disgrace. It is disgusting.
Very few people know the history of Zionism. Even less will speak about it. This chappy did. Spent all his fortune attempting to alert Americans about the truth. He is a Zionist whistle blower.
He explains in detail how the Zionists swung American public into joining the first world war using their power in the press. They did it in exchange for British support a la the Balfour agreement.
Always wondered why it was that Germany was the go to refuge for Russian Jews one minute then copping the brunt the next.
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I've no dog in this show, but I did fInd Fareed Zakaria (a Muslim journalist living in the USA) interesting. The part about Gaza is towards the end of the podcast. However the whole podcast is fascinating so give it a listen anyway.
podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/freakonomics-radio/id354668519?i=1000651349773
That was a good dog you brought to the show.
I think he's spot on in his observations. I mistake many non-ecconomic arguments as being left vrs right when they are more accurately open vrs closed debates.
Is that a Qld thing?
I thought this was a discussion about WA's new law/crazy conspiracy theories.
I have to ask though, if these babies are born alive and left to die, are you advocating for euthanasia instead so that they don't suffer? If a baby is not able to support itself and dies after a while, what were the conditions that created that? It's not like a normally healthy baby could not survive without care for a while. Do the stats break down what the issues were with these babies? Did they have major defects that could not be resolved?
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Is that a Qld thing?
Yeah mate, its a Qld thing.
Bob Mad-Hatter Pauline Please-Explain, Clive, George Christian, the only state to ever elect a member of the communist party.....
They just different up there mate. Embrace diversity.
....but what I find more amusing than the weirdos and freaks in Qld is that the people of WA mock them, when Qlders are so much more sane and normal than WAers.
If you think weirdo freaks are specifically a Qld thing, you need to step back out of WA for a while and then peer back in.
Sounds like you are becoming assimilated FN.
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Is that a Qld thing?
I thought this was a discussion about WA's new law/crazy conspiracy theories.
I have to ask though, if these babies are born alive and left to die, are you advocating for euthanasia instead so that they don't suffer? If a baby is not able to support itself and dies after a while, what were the conditions that created that? It's not like a normally healthy baby could not survive without care for a while. Do the stats break down what the issues were with these babies? Did they have major defects that could not be resolved?
Failed abortion's are what created the conditions they suffer, you know missing limbs that have been ripped off etc, they survived a failed abortion and are left to die on average it takes them 32 minutes to pass, that's horrific.
What I am advocating for is basic human rights, like medical care, be afforded to these babies.
Spend a few minutes and listen and as he says if you support it then at least own it for what it is.
Select to expand quotecammd said..FormulaNova said..
Is that a Qld thing?
I thought this was a discussion about WA's new law/crazy conspiracy theories.
I have to ask though, if these babies are born alive and left to die, are you advocating for euthanasia instead so that they don't suffer? If a baby is not able to support itself and dies after a while, what were the conditions that created that? It's not like a normally healthy baby could not survive without care for a while. Do the stats break down what the issues were with these babies? Did they have major defects that could not be resolved?
Failed abortion's are what created the conditions they suffer, you know missing limbs that have been ripped off etc, they survived a failed abortion and are left to die on average it takes them 32 minutes to pass, that's horrific.
What I am advocating for is basic human rights, like medical care, be afforded to these babies.
Spend a few minutes and listen and as he says if you support it then at least own it for what it is.
I did listen to it and it has still not changed my opinion. From memory of only 30 minutes ago, I think it was more a discussion about who supports the bill and when. Nothing else as far as I remember, so if I missed some salient point, please tell me.
There is a mention of how many babies have died this way, but not how or why.
So, is it better to kill them first before abortion?
I still feel it is better to bring children into this world into an environment where they are taken care of and not unwanted.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..
Is that a Qld thing?
I thought this was a discussion about WA's new law/crazy conspiracy theories.
I have to ask though, if these babies are born alive and left to die, are you advocating for euthanasia instead so that they don't suffer? If a baby is not able to support itself and dies after a while, what were the conditions that created that? It's not like a normally healthy baby could not survive without care for a while. Do the stats break down what the issues were with these babies? Did they have major defects that could not be resolved?
Failed abortion's are what created the conditions they suffer, you know missing limbs that have been ripped off etc, they survived a failed abortion and are left to die on average it takes them 32 minutes to pass, that's horrific.
What I am advocating for is basic human rights, like medical care, be afforded to these babies.
Spend a few minutes and listen and as he says if you support it then at least own it for what it is.
I did listen to it and it has still not changed my opinion. From memory of only 30 minutes ago, I think it was more a discussion about who supports the bill and when. Nothing else as far as I remember, so if I missed some salient point, please tell me.
There is a mention of how many babies have died this way, but not how or why.
So, is it better to kill them first before abortion?
I still feel it is better to bring children into this world into an environment where they are taken care of and not unwanted.
They have been born, they are breathing, and you argue they should not have the same human rights as you and me! On what basis do you think that, you say "I feel it is better to bring children into this world into an environment where they are taken care of and not unwanted."
That's the point of the bill isn't it.... to take care of them
I think what you really feel is its just to deny any human rights, like medical care, to babies that are not wanted by their parents. That's literally what you are arguing for.
Haven't read the 8 pages of , more than likely dribble that the usual few turn into a covid rant, but on the actual topic, yes abortion should be allowed in WA.
In fact it should be mandatory for ALL born and bred WA crew. We don't need any more inbred red neck gun toting mullet hair cut dead head dust people in the world
I met a person from WA once, he was bragging that he doesn't have to buy many eggs at easter as his wife was his sister. 
Yes there is a lot to be improved on and debated regarding the treatment of older fetuses. Some situations and incidents are genuinely horrifying, but what do you expect when people try not to acknowledge the practice exists, or if they do they're actively campaigning against improving the situation.
As far as I understand, the whole practice and understanding of the topic of abortion has barely progressed since a century ago.
I thought that the Bill was actually about the rights of the mother access healthcare?
Unless you actually believe that as soon as she gets pregnant, a woman should surrender her body and her human rights and become subservient to the desires and the "Rights" of the father and the clump of cells growing inside her (whether she wanted it or not)?
CAMMD, you accept the WHO estimate of 73 million abortions.
Do you also accept the estimate that 32 million of those are unsafe, which mostly occur in developing Nations and result in much higher rates of maternal deaths?
Banning abortion in the rest of the world will only increase the number of unsafe abortions in the developed nations. 73 million abortions will still happen, unfortunately they will then result in more women dieing, not saving lives
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CAMMD, you accept the WHO estimate of 73 million abortions.
Do you also accept the estimate that 32 million of those are unsafe, which mostly occur in developing Nations and result in much higher rates of maternal deaths?
Banning abortion in the rest of the world will only increase the number of unsafe abortions in the developed nations. 73 million abortions will still happen, unfortunately they will then result in more women dieing, not saving lives
Per Year
73 Million abortions are unsafe to babies.
32 Million abortions are unsafe to Mothers
If they didn't happen that's over 100M mothers and babies that would not be killed or harmed
and your arguing they are a good thing. That is some twisted logic
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Banning abortion in the rest of the world will only increase the number of unsafe abortions in the developed nations. 73 million abortions will still happen, unfortunately they will then result in more women dieing, not saving lives
That claim needs a citation
