Select to expand quotedecrepit said..Dylan72 said..
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2) Is there serious interest in me modifying ka72 to give a 1hr result even if you haven't sailed an hour? I can do it, just wonder what the demand is?
Cheers,
Dylan.
It does seem like a good idea.
Not calculating an hour because there isn't an hour's worth of data, is a bit strange.
I guess the idea could be, that you need to sail an hour to get a result, but all you have to do is leave the gps on for an hour, and you'll get the result.
So the only person penalised is the one who turned their unit off too early.
Exactly my thoughts! 
the hour is not really a problem
if you sail for less than an hour then your total distance (not average speed) is the hour
Select to expand quoteelmo said..
the hour is not really a problem
if you sail for less than an hour then your total distance (not average speed) is the hour
Your not just a red furry face are you?
Quick reply from Holland
I'm in contact with GP3S/Dylan, MvM and Canmore about the firmware.
Atm we are discussing SDOP, but as we already discovered this will be an issue...
I'll post updates on the Dutch forum : forum.windsurfing.nl/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=13883884
To be honest, I'm not really happy with the unit, it is so d**n small 
I can read the display of the GT-31 during sailing, even with my glasses this be close to impossible with the GT-102
Technically it is a great device, already logged 1000+ surf-km with the unit, numbers always close to the GT-31 (even without the dop correction!)
Select to expand quoteraymondw said..
I'm in contact with GP3S/Dylan
That would be Dutch Dylan, right, not me? I have a few emails, but really only concerned with ka72.com.Select to expand quoteelmo said..
if you sail for less than an hour then your total distance (not average speed) is the hour
That's an elegant workaround. You could use a similar (with multipliers) rule of thumb for any division that is time-based. (e.g. the 2hour we have in WindWanderers, or the 30min "C Group" proposed for FreeRace.) You get a thumbs-up from me for that one!
Select to expand quoteDylan72 said..
That's an elegant workaround....
Wow that's got to be a first, Elmo associated with elegant 
I just received an email from Manfred at GPS-Results - "..the latest Mac-version V5.38 is now downloadable from www.gps-speed.com and it can read FIT-files. However, since there is only Dopplerspeed and no direction saved in this file-format, the Dopplertracks will be vertical lines. The normal, color coded tracks are shown from the positional data..." 
Is anyone having issues getting the device to turn on?
Also when it's on, it keeps registering movement. Up to a few 100 meters when I'm standing still. It's in jogging mode.
Factory reset seems to fix it but annoying to do everytime
The GTs register a low speed when stationary, so it's not surprising that movement is also registered.
Select to expand quoteKevinD002 said..
Is anyone having issues getting the device to turn on?
Also when it's on, it keeps registering movement. Up to a few 100 meters when I'm standing still. It's in jogging mode.
Factory reset seems to fix it but annoying to do everytime
I was under the impression that the Canmore 102+ stopped logging when stationary?
Select to expand quoteKevinD002 said..
Is anyone having issues getting the device to turn on?
Also when it's on, it keeps registering movement. Up to a few 100 meters when I'm standing still. It's in jogging mode.
Factory reset seems to fix it but annoying to do everytime
Mine takes a press and hold for a second of the power button and then a few seconds of disconcertingly blank screen and then all ok. I haven't noticed any issues with the movement but I haven't been looking either- perhaps the filters on GPSResults are taking these out??
Select to expand quotesailquik said..
I was under the impression that the Canmore 102+ stopped logging when stationary?
You can set the "Log Rule" to "by distance", then it will stop logging. If you have it set to "by time", it logs even when stationary. I see a lot of 0 and 1 cm values when stationary, with occasional larger values. But there is also an "auto pause" setting that can pause logging when speed is below a customizable threshold. The auto pause default seems to be "off", though.
The GP102 does seem to stop logging when it has not satellite reception, e.g. when in the water after crashes.
Select to expand quoteboardsurfr said..sailquik said..
I was under the impression that the Canmore 102+ stopped logging when stationary?
You can set the "Log Rule" to "by distance", then it will stop logging. If you have it set to "by time", it logs even when stationary. I see a lot of 0 and 1 cm values when stationary, with occasional larger values. But there is also an "auto pause" setting that can pause logging when speed is below a customizable threshold. The auto pause default seems to be "off", though.
The GP102 does seem to stop logging when it has not satellite reception, e.g. when in the water after crashes.
Do the satellites stop rotating the earth? In other words, even when the receiver is standing still, the satellite is still travelling about 14,000kph, which is ~ 400 m/s (worst case).
Note that a "gps lock" isn't what most people think it might mean -> if you have 12 satellites in view, they first need to be receiver (aka PLL) locked. The "gps lock" in this case is when there are at least, say 5 satellites, with low chance of losing the PLL-lock and when that channel has recently received the time-code.
You should never stop logging... even without "gps lock".
Importantly, if we ever get around to post-processing the GPS data (like the do for Trimble), then the data collected while stationary can be used to determine localised atmospheric effects.
Initial support for Canmore .FIT files has been added to www.ka72.com.
Other .FIT files that output "Record" messages with GPS coordinates should also work, but I'd be interested in any feedback from Garmin owners who experience difficulty with processing their files.
To say the API for .FIT is labrynthine is an understatement. I've never seen a file format try so hard to cater for every possible combination and permutation of sensor! So, although the new code should work fine with Canmore's GPS, it is not likely to work with others without some changes.
Cheers,
Dylan.
Select to expand quoteDylan72 said..
Initial support for Canmore .FIT files has been added to www.ka72.com.
Other .FIT files that output "Record" messages with GPS coordinates should also work, but I'd be interested in any feedback from Garmin owners who experience difficulty with processing their files.
To say the API for .FIT is labrynthine is an understatement. I've never seen a file format try so hard to cater for every possible combination and permutation of sensor! So, although the new code should work fine with Canmore's GPS, it is not likely to work with others without some changes.
Cheers,
Dylan.
Thanks Dylan, great to see you keeping up the good work!
So a friend of mine sent his .FIT converted to GPX track and I tried loading it up into GPS Results. Weird thing is when I click anything other than 2sec, it just highlights a straight line on the map. Gates don't seem to work with the file either. Conversion issue?
Select to expand quoteKevinD002 said..
So a friend of mine sent his .FIT converted to GPX track and I tried loading it up into GPS Results. Weird thing is when I click anything other than 2sec, it just highlights a straight line on the map. Gates don't seem to work with the file either. Conversion issue?
I use a Mac and when the Mac version was released Manfred added a couple of notes, one of which was "....However, since there is only Dopplerspeed and no direction saved in this file-format, the Dopplertracks will be vertical lines. The normal, color coded tracks are shown from the positional data..."
I dont know about the gates issue sorry, but I have always found Manfred very helpful when I have had questions so perhaps email him directly.
Select to expand quotefangman said..KevinD002 said..
So a friend of mine sent his .FIT converted to GPX track and I tried loading it up into GPS Results. Weird thing is when I click anything other than 2sec, it just highlights a straight line on the map. Gates don't seem to work with the file either. Conversion issue?
I use a Mac and when the Mac version was released Manfred added a couple of notes, one of which was "....However, since there is only Dopplerspeed and no direction saved in this file-format, the Dopplertracks will be vertical lines. The normal, color coded tracks are shown from the positional data..."
I dont know about the gates issue sorry, but I have always found Manfred very helpful when I have had questions so perhaps email him directly.
Ahh ok, I wonder if I select interpolation data maybe the tracks will work. Be right back!
That makes a lot of sense, since I haven't been able to find *any* mention of SDOP in all of the SiRF binary protocols I've been plowing through.
As for the U-blox chips: message 0x01 0x12 (NAV-VELNED) contains a parameter called 'sAcc' or Speed Accuracy Estimate, which is the U-Blox equivalent of the SDOP value for SiRF.
Select to expand quotedBA said..
That makes a lot of sense, since I haven't been able to find *any* mention of SDOP in all of the SiRF binary protocols I've been plowing through.
As for the U-blox chips: message 0x01 0x12 (NAV-VELNED) contains a parameter called 'sAcc' or Speed Accuracy Estimate, which is the U-Blox equivalent of the SDOP value for SiRF.
Yes. UBX sAcc is the equivalent of SIRF EHSE (Estimated horizontal speed error) which is available in some SIRF firmware versions of SIRF binary Protocol, but apparently not the versions they supply to the consumer GPS manufacturers. It's a great failure of SIRF that they don't make that message data easily available in every version for out point of view. It's still a mystery to me why SIRF just didn't supply Locosys with the appropriate firmware the fill message ID 41. SDOP is not a abbreviation used by SIRF, so you will not find it in their Manuals, but as far as I can tell, EHSE (Estimated horizontal speed error) is the same thing.
Brief report about my experience with the Canmore GP-102+.
Among other pros: first fix is very quick.
Among other cons: definitely is NOT IPX6 water resistant, it took just a few drops of water (almost humidity rather than water) inside a slightly leaky bag and my first unit is gone.
WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it really that difficult?
Select to expand quotegeoITA said..
Brief report about my experience with the Canmore GP-102+.
Among other pros: first fix is very quick.
Among other cons: definitely is NOT IPX6 water resistant, it took just a few drops of water (almost humidity rather than water) inside a slightly leaky bag and my first unit is gone.
Remember that if you submerge that flexible bag, the pressure is transferred to the GPS through the bag. It's not the amount of water around the device that is the problem, it's the pressure it is under that forces water into the joins in the case.Select to expand quotegeoITA said..WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it realy that difficult?
Probably when a manufacturer sees a market advantage. And, yes. It is difficult in the sense that it is very costly for the tooling and design. 
Yes Sailquick that is obvious, but the bag was not submerged, it just took some splash. Really there was almost no water at all inside it when I looked at it. Drops, and tiny drops.
Select to expand quotegeoITA said..
Brief report about my experience with the Canmore GP-102+.
Among other pros: first fix is very quick.
Among other cons: definitely is NOT IPX6 water resistant, it took just a few drops of water (almost humidity rather than water) inside a slightly leaky bag and my first unit is gone.
WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it really that difficult?
I believe the only way is to make it like the Garmin 201.
They had no openings at all just gold plated terminals to connect for charging & downloading in a clip in cradle.
I guess the downside might be memory capacity as there would be no card.
Select to expand quotePaul Kelf said..geoITA said..
Brief report about my experience with the Canmore GP-102+.
Among other pros: first fix is very quick.
Among other cons: definitely is NOT IPX6 water resistant, it took just a few drops of water (almost humidity rather than water) inside a slightly leaky bag and my first unit is gone.
WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it really that difficult?
I believe the only way is to make it like the Garmin 201.
They had no openings at all just gold plated terminals to connect for charging & downloading in a clip in cradle.
I guess the downside might be memory capacity as there would be no card.
Please DON,T. The 201 wasn't even close to waterproof. Killed 5 until I made a proper case for it and the downloading was very random. Love having a card that works every time. We'll get the right device.
Select to expand quotekato said..Paul Kelf said..geoITA said..
WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it really that difficult?
I believe the only way is to make it like the Garmin 201.
They had no openings at all just gold plated terminals to connect for charging & downloading in a clip in cradle.
I guess the downside might be memory capacity as there would be no card.
Please DON,T. The 201 wasn't even close to waterproof. Killed 5 until I made a proper case for it and the downloading was very random. Love having a card that works every time. We'll get the right device.
+1 above. I killed at least 3 until I finally decided I needed to put them in plastic bags! 
They have the same waterproof rating as the GT-11/31's
I actually think it is quite a low priority to make the GPS's completely waterproof. It is very costly and it's just better to put them in a good bag like the Paqua. Then there are no problems at all and you have a convenient way of wearing them.
Select to expand quotesailquik said..kato said..Paul Kelf said..geoITA said..
WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it really that difficult?
I believe the only way is to make it like the Garmin 201.
They had no openings at all just gold plated terminals to connect for charging & downloading in a clip in cradle.
I guess the downside might be memory capacity as there would be no card.
Please DON,T. The 201 wasn't even close to waterproof. Killed 5 until I made a proper case for it and the downloading was very random. Love having a card that works every time. We'll get the right device.
+1 above. I killed at least 3 until I finally decided I needed to put them in plastic bags!
They have the same waterproof rating as the GT-11/31's
I actually think it is quite a low priority to make the GPS's completely waterproof. It is very costly and it's just better to put them in a good bag like the Paqua. Then there are no problems at all and you have a convenient way of wearing them.
+2 I killed two...each on their first go. I would rather just put the gps in a nice case. I think I may be able to fit the canmore into the case Craig made for me. Damn thing is top notch!
Select to expand quotekato said..Paul Kelf said.. geoITA said..
Brief report about my experience with the Canmore GP-102+.
Among other pros: first fix is very quick.
Among other cons: definitely is NOT IPX6 water resistant, it took just a few drops of water (almost humidity rather than water) inside a slightly leaky bag and my first unit is gone.
WHEN will anybody produce a truly water resistant device? Is it really that difficult?
I believe the only way is to make it like the Garmin 201.
They had no openings at all just gold plated terminals to connect for charging & downloading in a clip in cradle.
I guess the downside might be memory capacity as there would be no card.
Please DON,T. The 201 wasn't even close to waterproof. Killed 5 until I made a proper case for it and the downloading was very random. Love having a card that works every time. We'll get the right device.
I had 2 Garmins with no problems for years, but having said that I haven't had any problems with the GT31s either except for rusting screws so maybe I just don't drown them as much as other people
G'day,
Have purchased a Cranmore GP102+ and wondering how to change to GPX file to download through KA72 or realspeed? Have tried as .fit file but doesn't provide max speed and alpha, nautical and hour incorrect.
Thanks in advance for any info.
Carl.
