Select to expand quotecammd said..
Any way the point is, as pyschojoe agreed, its not just a women's rights issue, there are three direct parties involved, the Mother, The Father and the Child. That's just a simple scientific fact, anyone who disputes that is delusional.
I think you are delusional. The scientific fact is: males can't bear children!
Only one direct party involved, the Mother. An embryo is not a child.
Select to expand quotecammd said..psychojoe said..cammd said..D3 said..cammd said
Its pretty clear what happens to a community when men no longer take responsibility for their children, only a fool would recommend that outcome.
I'm pretty sure I'm not quite understanding what you're saying here?
Are you saying that if abortion is banned, men will all of a sudden take responsibility for every pregnancy they cause?
The above argument that men have no say in abortion because they don't carry the baby during pregnancy absolves them of responsibility for deciding to keep the child or terminate it.
If you have no say over a matter then you cannot be responsible for it, that's just logic. So if you want to push that argument don't be surprised about unintended outcomes.
Its a flawed principle anyway, its akin to man telling his stay at home partner she has no say over financial decisions because he earns all the money. Its a BS argument that completely ignores the Father's rights and more importantly the child's right to live. Its just a ploy to shut down any opposition and the same principle doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny in any other situation.
I can agree with you on this point, it truly isn't just a women's rights issue
Now where's that $30,000 I suddenly need because every sperm is sacred.
Cough up!
What's your argument worth if you haven't the cash to back it up?
I have been coughing up for my kids and putting in my share via taxes for all those who cannot or will not. So my argument has the same worth as the next persons.
Yeah. Thanks for nothing.
Can we at least kill the grandfather? He's 102, he wants to die. It's your do-gooding that's blocking his right to die.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
Any way the point is, as pyschojoe agreed, its not just a women's rights issue, there are three direct parties involved, the Mother, The Father and the Child. That's just a simple scientific fact, anyone who disputes that is delusional.
I think you are delusional. The scientific fact is: males can't bear children!
Only one direct party involved, the Mother. An embryo is not a child.
You need to re visit the birds and the bees, it takes more then just a mother to make a baby, prove me wrong.
An embryo is not child, ok fair enough, a 80 year is not a teenager either, what's your point.
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You need to re visit the birds and the bees, it takes more then just a mother to make a baby.
An embryo is not child, ok fair enough, a 80 year is not a teenager either, what's your point.
An embryo isn't a human being, that's why abortion is rightfully legal in Australia and most other countries.
If you don't like it, go pi55 of and live somewhere where it's illegal.
Here ya go.
Egypt, Senegal, Gabon, Madagascar, Mauritania, Suriname, Nicaragua or El Salvador
Actually, I have a better idea, move to Gaza and become a human shield for all the children being decimated by the IDF.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
You need to re visit the birds and the bees, it takes more then just a mother to make a baby.
An embryo is not child, ok fair enough, a 80 year is not a teenager either, what's your point.
An embryo isn't a human, that's why abortion is rightfully legal in Australia and most other countries.
If you don't like it, go pi55 of and live somewhere where it's illegal.
Here ya go.
Egypt, Senegal, Gabon, Madagascar, Mauritania, Suriname, Nicaragua or El Salvador
What species is it, I assume you agree its alive.
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What species is it, I assume you agree its alive.
Google it
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Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.
Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
What species is it, I assume you agree its alive.
Google it
you got nothing
Select to expand quotecammd said..
you got nothing
Coming from someone that's delusional. Hahaha!
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If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Maybe protest outside abortion clinics, with all your freaky Christian mates. You are entitled to do that still, AFAIK.
You are in the tiny minority, which doesn't make you wrong, just makes you look kind of stoopid.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Maybe protest outside abortion clinics, with all your freaky Christian mates. You are entitled to do that still, AFAIK.
You are in the tiny minority, which doesn't make you wrong, just makes you look kind of stoopid.
can't play the ball either hey, very weak. No point having a discussion with someone who resorts to school yard name calling. Enjoy your day
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Enjoy your day
Hahaha, thanks. Keep up God's good work!
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
Enjoy your day
Hahaha, thanks. Keep up God's good work!
Lol... you to
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Whether or not abortion is legal does not stop the practice, merely it moves from a controlled surgical environment to a bathroom with coat hangers. Unfortunately the foetus is lost either way. Only the health of the mother is jeopardised by anti abortion law.
It will reduce the immoral practice by ninety plus percent.
bigthink.com/health/what-i-learned-about-disability-and-infanticide-from-peter-singer/
In Practical Ethics (1979), Singer explains that the value of a life should be based on traits such as rationality, autonomy and self-consciousness.
So if its not rational etc.... its not yet a human.
So abortion up to 30 years after birth might be appropriate. Older for some people.
(tongue in cheek - just in case you needed to be told).
Actually this article is more relevant to this topic Abortion and Democracy in America - Jun 28, 2022PETER SINGER
www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/dobbs-decision-radical-implications-for-supreme-court-by-peter-singer-2022-06
The other interesting thing I heard years ago was a mathematician talking about a correlation between the legalisation of abortion in New York (city) and the later drop in crime rates. The suggestion was that the unwanted children tend to be less law abiding / valued and of course poorer and that affected the likelihood of them offending.
Select to expand quotecammd said..
Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.
Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Well that's easy. Native birds are in danger of extinction whereas anything above one billion humans can be considered plague proportion. I'll willingly revisit the fine tuning of abortion laws the day after the human population drops below half a billion.
And Hardpoles point was also valid. The grown native bird won't slit your throat to get cash for another hit to try and feel normal for another day. I wonder how many of our prison guests feel that they were unwanted as children. Someone do a study on that, please. The Dunedin Study found that a child's self regulation was the best indicator for likelihood of future prison time. It's not a huge stretch to imagine the unwanted children being lean on self discipline.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..cammd said..
Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.
Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Well that's easy. Native birds are in danger of extinction whereas anything above one billion humans can be considered plague proportion. I'll willingly revisit the fine tuning of abortion laws the day after the human population drops below half a billion.
And Hardpoles point was also valid. The grown native bird won't slit your throat to get cash for another hit to try and feel normal for another day. I wonder how many of our prison guests feel that they were unwanted as children. Someone do a study on that, please. The Dunedin Study found that a child's self regulation was the best indicator for likelihood of future prison time. It's not a huge stretch to imagine the unwanted children being lean on self discipline.
Right so nothing to do with whether or not they are human it just comes down to whether or not they are wanted or unwanted babies. As has been argued unwanted children equal high crime rates plus most likely a lot of other inconveniences.
Maybe society could legalise murder of homeless people then junkies, after they are sorted other demographics like race or post code could be considered for termination. Murder could be the final solution to a lot of societal problems, probably some environmental ones too.
Placing greater value on a birds egg over an unborn baby is disgusting and viewing murder as a righteous solution is Nazi level immoral but that's where it seems the pro abortion mindset sits.
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If you have no say over a matter then you cannot be responsible for it, that's just logic. So if you want to push that argument don't be surprised about unintended outcomes.
Well, clearly that is not correct in the modern world. Try conceiving a baby and then escaping financial responsibility for it.
That's the hypocrisy of that argument isn't it, men should be responsible for their kids, therefore to argue that they should have no say about abortion is just BS. You can't have it both ways.
So what would you do if one parent doesn't want a child?
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..cammd said..FormulaNova said..cammd said..
If you have no say over a matter then you cannot be responsible for it, that's just logic. So if you want to push that argument don't be surprised about unintended outcomes.
Well, clearly that is not correct in the modern world. Try conceiving a baby and then escaping financial responsibility for it.
That's the hypocrisy of that argument isn't it, men should be responsible for their kids, therefore to argue that they should have no say about abortion is just BS. You can't have it both ways.
So what would you do if one parent doesn't want a child?
Just knock it off then - how very convenient.
Its legal murder no two ways about it.
Pcdefender, following the party line. Don't think, believe.
"American conservatives tend to support Christian values, moral absolutism, traditional family values, and American exceptionalism, while opposing abortion, euthanasia, same-sex marriage, and transgender rights. They tend to favor economic liberalism and neoliberalism, and are generally pro-business and pro-capitalism, while opposing communism and labor unions. They often advocate for a strong national defense, gun rights, capital punishment, and a defense of Western culture from perceived threats posed by communism and moral relativism. American conservatives tend to question epidemiology, climate change, and evolution more frequently than moderates or liberals."
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People like Pcdefender are incapable of independent thought, they just repeat what they read on conservative American websites.
As a counter balance to those that just parrot the leftist (CC, ESG, BLM, DtP, LGBTQ+)?Select to expand quotetheDoctor said..
can anyone lend me a 10ft pole....?
Are you sure it will fit?Select to expand quotedecrepit said..
consciousness is eternal, it doesn't start or end. Only the subject of consciousness changes.
memories, individuals all cease at some stage, but consciousness is still there.
"There" being a bit problematic. I think consciousness transcends space time, so there may not be a "there"
Sorry guys, there's that much rubbish on here, I feel free to express some strange thoughts myself.
Consciousness is literally the ability to navigate memories in a complex structure. For you to be conscious after death, you would need a complex structure to store the data...
Remember, the Earth has a carrying capacity and nature is a cruel mother.
The Earth doesn't have a carrying capacity. The environment does. And humans are messing with that environment.
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Placing greater value on a birds egg over an unborn baby is disgusting and viewing murder as a righteous solution is Nazi level immoral but that's where it seems the pro abortion mindset sits.
You are deluded in bringing Nazis into a debate about abortion. The victims of the Nazi genocide seem to have no issues committing genocide on the Gazan people.
Human life isn't nearly as important as you think it is. Not now, not then.
Select to expand quoteFlySurfer said..Consciousness is literally the ability to navigate memories in a complex structure. For you to be conscious after death, you would need a complex structure to store the data...
Remember, the Earth has a carrying capacity and nature is a cruel mother.
May well be your definition, but it certainly isn't mine.
That's what you are conscious of, not what consciousness is.
undifferentiated consciousness is only aware of itself.
Not an easy thing to achieve, but when you do you understand what you really are.
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Human life isn't nearly as important as you think it is. Not now, not then.
You sound lonely
