Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..cammd said..
You sound lonely
You ARE deluded
I am crystal clear on this issue. Abortion kills unborn babies. Prove me wrong.
Select to expand quotecammd said..
I am crystal clear on this issue. Abortion kills unborn babies. Prove me wrong.
You ARE deluded. Humans are an extremely successful species, too successful. There are way too many of us. Abortion, wars, climate issues, pandemics, whatever, hardly dents our success on this planet. We are growing at a fast rate, something will give. What's the issue with death... It's inevitable. The human population is in not in decline, quite the opposite. Ludicrous assumption to make that life is somehow sacred. As a species we are doing unbelievably well.
Prove me wrong.
Face the facts, you and PM33 are freaks who live under rocks, you are in a miniscule minority. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but just means you are close to irrelevant. Most believe abortion is OK, with some guidelines. Not a perfect rule, but way better than what some pro life freaks, like you, are banging on about.
Select to expand quoteremery said..
Behold a Person...Amen.
That is how you started life and me, all of us actually, since that moment your life has been uninterrupted and continuous, you didn't start life at some point after that moment. That's what medical science tells by the way not religion. Do you believe in science.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
Face the facts, you and PM33 are freaks who live under rocks, you are in a miniscule minority. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but just means you are close to irrelevant. Most believe abortion is OK, with some guidelines. Not a perfect rule, but way better than what some pro life freaks, like you, are banging on about.
Still name calling hey, no worries I can live with being labelled a "pro life freak".
How about you Pete, is all this name calling making you question your views on the killing babies.
Select to expand quotecammd said..
since that moment your life has been uninterrupted and continuous.
Life is interrupted constantly up until the point you die. WTF are you on about?
You've got nothing!
Select to expand quotecammd said..
Is all this name calling making you question your views on the killing babies.
I have a huge problem with the IDF murdering thousands of Gazan babies and children. Where do you stand on that issue?
As for embryo's... they mean about as much to me as eating an egg daily for breakfast. I don't give it any thought.
Does that offend you?
Select to expand quotecammd said..
That is how you started life and me, all of us actually, since that moment your life has been uninterrupted and continuous, you didn't start life at some point after that moment. That's what medical science tells by the way not religion. Do you believe in science.
Pete and I are right, everyone else is wrong, especially Remery.... about everything, have a good night
Select to expand quotecammd said...
That is how you started life and me, all of us actually....
Even Macroscienc ?
I'd always imagined interstellar life-forms would somehow be different.
Select to expand quotecammd said..
Pete and I are right, everyone else is wrong, especially Remery.... about everything, have a good night
Amen.
Select to expand quotecammd said..psychojoe said..cammd said..
Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.
Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Well that's easy. Native birds are in danger of extinction whereas anything above one billion humans can be considered plague proportion. I'll willingly revisit the fine tuning of abortion laws the day after the human population drops below half a billion.
And Hardpoles point was also valid. The grown native bird won't slit your throat to get cash for another hit to try and feel normal for another day. I wonder how many of our prison guests feel that they were unwanted as children. Someone do a study on that, please. The Dunedin Study found that a child's self regulation was the best indicator for likelihood of future prison time. It's not a huge stretch to imagine the unwanted children being lean on self discipline.
Right so nothing to do with whether or not they are human it just comes down to whether or not they are wanted or unwanted babies. As has been argued unwanted children equal high crime rates plus most likely a lot of other inconveniences.
Maybe society could legalise murder of homeless people then junkies, after they are sorted other demographics like race or post code could be considered for termination. Murder could be the final solution to a lot of societal problems, probably some environmental ones too.
Placing greater value on a birds egg over an unborn baby is disgusting and viewing murder as a righteous solution is Nazi level immoral but that's where it seems the pro abortion mindset sits.
There's no need to murder the homeless and junkies, just give them a vasectomy and the cycle breaks itself in just one generation.
Sweden was doing it to certain patients, and got branded as having done something wrong. No, it's the right thing to do.
Select to expand quotePlacing greater value on a birds egg over an unborn baby is disgusting
I wonder at which point you reach hypocrisy, I'm guessing it's somewhere around the point of the earth belonging to humans. For me it's eating farmed meat. I know that animals should live free in the wild until I hunt and kill them for food, but I compromise my morals by eating free range meat.
Some don't believe in killing, so no abortion, no euthanasia, no death penalty. And they don't believe in animal farming, so they're vegan. Wouldn't go to a zoo because animals belong in the wild. But not their dog, they own that dog, can't even see the hypocrisy.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said.
There's no need to murder the homeless and junkies, just give them a vasectomy and the cycle breaks itself in just one generation.
Sweden was doing it to certain patients, and got branded as having done something wrong. No, it's the right thing to do.
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Select to expand quoteremery said..psychojoe said.
There's no need to murder the homeless and junkies, just give them a vasectomy and the cycle breaks itself in just one generation.
Sweden was doing it to certain patients, and got branded as having done something wrong. No, it's the right thing to do.
Adolph Hitler likes this post.
The truth is always unpopular.
And thank you.
Select to expand quotemyscreenname said..
I have a huge problem with the IDF murdering thousands of Gazan babies and children.
What about the tens of thousands of adults as well buried alive after their 2000 pound bombs destroyed so many homes and apartments?
Officially around 35 percent of Gaza City buildings have been damaged or destroyed.
Select to expand quotecammd said..myscreenname said..
Face the facts, you and PM33 are freaks who live under rocks, you are in a miniscule minority. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but just means you are close to irrelevant. Most believe abortion is OK, with some guidelines. Not a perfect rule, but way better than what some pro life freaks, like you, are banging on about.
Still name calling hey, no worries I can live with being labelled a "pro life freak".
How about you Pete, is all this name calling making you question your views on the killing babies.
There are two paths you head down in life.
One is the path of love, the other path heads in the opposite direction and the toxic crew head there. They live in fear and are their daily habits are motivated by their out of control ego. They give off a toxic vibe.
Name calling / hate comes from the ego. Water off a ducks back mostly to me and no it does not make me change my views in any way.
Once you are headed in the wrong direction you rarely stay stationary so the hate becomes even greater.
Toxic emotions have a massive impact on your physical health.
They are only harming themselves.
Select to expand quotepsychojoe said..cammd said..psychojoe said..cammd said..
Does this look like a Kangaroo capable of making choices and living on its own, its protected by law because that's what it actually is.
Do you disagree its not a Kangaroo baby. Should we be able to destroy native birds nest's because there are not really birds in there capable living alone.
If you can put an argument forward as to why native animal embryo's need protecting and not a human ones I would like to hear it.
Well that's easy. Native birds are in danger of extinction whereas anything above one billion humans can be considered plague proportion. I'll willingly revisit the fine tuning of abortion laws the day after the human population drops below half a billion.
And Hardpoles point was also valid. The grown native bird won't slit your throat to get cash for another hit to try and feel normal for another day. I wonder how many of our prison guests feel that they were unwanted as children. Someone do a study on that, please. The Dunedin Study found that a child's self regulation was the best indicator for likelihood of future prison time. It's not a huge stretch to imagine the unwanted children being lean on self discipline.
Right so nothing to do with whether or not they are human it just comes down to whether or not they are wanted or unwanted babies. As has been argued unwanted children equal high crime rates plus most likely a lot of other inconveniences.
Maybe society could legalise murder of homeless people then junkies, after they are sorted other demographics like race or post code could be considered for termination. Murder could be the final solution to a lot of societal problems, probably some environmental ones too.
Placing greater value on a birds egg over an unborn baby is disgusting and viewing murder as a righteous solution is Nazi level immoral but that's where it seems the pro abortion mindset sits.
There's no need to murder the homeless and junkies, just give them a vasectomy and the cycle breaks itself in just one generation.
Sweden was doing it to certain patients, and got branded as having done something wrong. No, it's the right thing to do.
The term your thinking of is Eugenics.
The problem being that homelessness is not a genetic condition.
Select to expand quotecammd said..D3 said..cammd said
Its pretty clear what happens to a community when men no longer take responsibility for their children, only a fool would recommend that outcome.
I'm pretty sure I'm not quite understanding what you're saying here?
Are you saying that if abortion is banned, men will all of a sudden take responsibility for every pregnancy they cause?
The above argument that men have no say in abortion because they don't carry the baby during pregnancy absolves them of responsibility for deciding to keep the child or terminate it.
If you have no say over a matter then you cannot be responsible for it, that's just logic. So if you want to push that argument don't be surprised about unintended outcomes.
Its a flawed principle anyway, its akin to man telling his stay at home partner she has no say over financial decisions because he earns all the money. Its a BS argument that completely ignores the Father's rights and more importantly the child's right to live. Its just a ploy to shut down any opposition and the same principle doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny in any other situation.
Because the fetus is residing inside another human being, I would argue that blokes don't get the final say on a womans choice.
They most certainly ARE responsible for any child born as a result of THEIR decision to engage in intercourse.
But your comparison of a womans choice to a bloke exerting coercive control over a stay at home partner just doesn't work.
A bloke denying a woman autonomy over her own body and forcing her to carry his baby to term is also coercive control.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
Physically healthy 28-year-old woman will be euthanised next month (msn.com)
250 physically healthy Palestinian men, women and children are predicted to be murdered today by the IDF. That's just an average number.
Since October the Israelis Defence Force has killed 13000 children and 9000 women.
Sounds like an odd story you read about somewhere: 28yo healthy woman who will be euthanised next month. Is it as sad as the genocide that's occurring in Gaza everyday for the past five months?
Forum contributors may wish to add their views to this random news you read about, can you share more details please?
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
Name calling / hate comes from the ego. Water off a ducks back mostly to me and no it does not make me change my views in any way.
You appear to wake up very triggered everyday, why?
Did you experiment, maybe a bit too much, with recreational drugs growing up?
What is this need you have to spew out extremist alt-right and other whacko beliefs on a water sport forum daily?
Do you wake up in hope thinking you may change someones views today? What is driving you to bang on about this freaky rubbish every single day?
It's so time consuming and very sad.
Select to expand quoteFlying Dutchman said..
Here's one perspective at 24:10
That was interesting, very spiritual perspective regarding consciousness and when cells become a being. I guess that's to be expected from a monk. I have deliberately avoided any reference to that aspect of life as the the pro choice advocates just go straight to the "your a freaky god botherer" angle.
It makes it to easy for them to just hang off that, they cant put forward a good scientific based defense of abortion so they go straight to the name calling. Just read some of the comments posted earlier like the one above where defending life is labelled as "extremist alt-right"
Anyway I do like to believe in Karma.
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..cammd said..myscreenname said..
Face the facts, you and PM33 are freaks who live under rocks, you are in a miniscule minority. Doesn't mean you are wrong, but just means you are close to irrelevant. Most believe abortion is OK, with some guidelines. Not a perfect rule, but way better than what some pro life freaks, like you, are banging on about.
Still name calling hey, no worries I can live with being labelled a "pro life freak".
How about you Pete, is all this name calling making you question your views on the killing babies.
There are two paths you head down in life.
One is the path of love, the other path heads in the opposite direction and the toxic crew head there. They live in fear and are their daily habits are motivated by their out of control ego. They give off a toxic vibe.
Name calling / hate comes from the ego. Water off a ducks back mostly to me and no it does not make me change my views in any way.
Once you are headed in the wrong direction you rarely stay stationary so the hate becomes even greater.
Toxic emotions have a massive impact on your physical health.
They are only harming themselves.
Sounds like karma
Select to expand quotePcdefender said..
There are two paths you head down in life....
ah-ha.
So.. if all the available paths head 'down' is this not irrefutable proof that the world curves away from you in every direction and must therefore be round ?
"good scientific based defense "
Hmmm.... I'm not going to argue if Abortion is good or bad.
I'm just going to state a couple of facts.
Criminalizing abortion does not stop women having abortions, it just forces them to use unsafe methods of terminating pregnancy.
Criminalizing abortion means more women will die each year. More women will not be able to get pregnant again.
Estimated 13% of all maternal deaths are from women having to use unsafe, illegal abortion.
Good point D3.
Women are clearly seen as womb bearing vessels without feelings once the miracle of a cholesterol coated protein survives spermicide long enough to pierce ovary. But what if it doesn't pierce the ovary, are the pro-lifers hell bent on forcing ectopic pregnancies to miscarriage? Did they think that sperm has a fighting chance.
Select to expand quoteD3 said..
"good scientific based defense "
Hmmm.... I'm not going to argue if Abortion is good or bad.
I'm just going to state a couple of facts.
Criminalizing abortion does not stop women having abortions, it just forces them to use unsafe methods of terminating pregnancy.
Criminalizing abortion means more women will die each year. More women will not be able to get pregnant again.
Estimated 13% of all maternal deaths are from women having to use unsafe, illegal abortion.
semantics, change the word good for robust then. The point was you cannot prove with a ROBUST scientific argument that a human life is not taken during abortion.
Let me quote a % back at you 100% of aborted babies die. Claiming abortion is healthcare is propaganda, a human life ends with every successful abortion and the vast majority are perfectly healthy Mother and Child before the procedure. They are just plain facts.
And that leads to the next pointSelect to expand quotepsychojoe said..
Good point D3.
Women are clearly seen as womb bearing vessels without feelings once the miracle of a cholesterol coated protein survives spermicide long enough to pierce ovary. But what if it doesn't pierce the ovary, are the pro-lifers hell bent on forcing ectopic pregnancies to miscarriage? Did they think that sperm has a fighting chance.
Women are clearly seen as womb bearing vessel. What a load of HorseS&%T , they are seen a Mothers with a child, what is clear is that the child is not ever taken into consideration by pro choice.
Ectopic pregnancies are not abortions, they are not a choice. This point is just a ploy to distract from the thousands upon thousands of terminations of perfectly healthy pregnancies.
